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What do you think of Trump's Presidency so far?

Discussion in 'Anything and Everything not Free Rider' started by CharlesGreer, May 16, 2017.

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How is Trump doing so far?

  1. Good

    26.8%
  2. Bad

    14.3%
  3. So-So

    16.1%
  4. Horrible

    42.9%
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  1. CharlesGreer

    CharlesGreer Well-Known Member

    Good point, with the current rate that we're going I don't really see us making a lot of progress if any on debt.
     
  2. TeamPhantom

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    He said he had the right to share the information with Russia facts pertaining to terrorism and airline flight safety. He didn't confirm that it was highly classified information as the Washington Post said.
     
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  3. Reborn

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    Well, everyone has a job in isolationist, c̶o̶m̶m̶u̶n̶i̶s̶t̶ capitalist USA, where the rich get richer and the poor are subsidised by their hatred of e̶n̶e̶m̶i̶e̶s̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶s̶t̶a̶t̶e̶ f̶o̶r̶e̶i̶g̶n̶e̶r̶s̶ immigrants, and any outlandish media is perfectly denied and labelled as fake news via the fantastic technique 'doublethink'.
     
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  4. CharlesGreer

    CharlesGreer Well-Known Member

    I'll take what he's having.
     
  5. Eryp

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    that doesn't make his leaking the information any less wrong
     
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  6. Stultus

    Stultus Well-Known Member Official Author

    lmao i live in canada suckers
     
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  7. CharlesGreer

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    lucky bastard
     
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  8. TeamPhantom

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    It doesn't? well if it truly helps to bring isis to their end then I think it is plenty right, also I wouldn't call it leaking it seemed to me more like sharing helpful information.
     
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  9. octo

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    it was classified (or not shared, if you're drinking the kool-aid hard enough to believe it wasn't) for a reason... this info wasn't given some of our allies, why should it be given to russia? can't we agree that the president going against our intelligence community to give info to a country which we are not exactly on good terms with is a bad idea?
     
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  10. TeamPhantom

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    Maybe it was a bad idea but still I am going to wait till this pans out to see how this goes and what is actually true and what is not. I feel this is being aggregated to the extreme by the MSM because of how much they hate Trump. Also I feel many of the US allies aren't really interested in wiping out the ISIS while Russia is, so maybe it was a wise choice to share this information with them but as I said I am going to wait to see how this pans out before jumping to any conclusions.
     
  11. Eryp

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    why do you trust trump more than the media? (legit question, because I literally don't understand why)
     
  12. TeamPhantom

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    I've seen the media again and again scream wolf and later it turns out to be false, besides all they say about Trump pretty much is horrible and they will do anything to take him down it seem. There has been multiple stories that they jump all over saying Trump did something horrible (such as the groping shitt before the election) and then later it is proved to be wrong or there is no evidence backing up their claims. I mean how can I believe something that keeps lying over and over again? I used to actually believe the media much more before this election but it seems they went to shitt now and that's not because I am listening to Trump in fact I don't just believe everything Trump says off the bat, I wait to see how it pans out instead before I decide what I think on the issue.
    In a world of Lies you got to be careful of what you believe and what you do not and that's what I try to do so I don't scream about one thing only to see it made false and then look like a fool for it later. And that is what the MSM has been doing (screaming about something before it has enough evidence) so I have lost all my trust in what they say (that does NOT mean however I believe everything Trump says, instead I just simply tend to believe what he says over what the MSM says).
     
  13. Phase

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    Not good
     
  14. Eryp

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    trump was the one that propagated the "MSM=bad" idea during the campaign. you can't say you're not listening to the MSM and then say you don't listen to trump, because if you're not listening to the "MSM", you're taking what trump said at surface level without any thought (most likely unintentionally though).
    the institutions trump labels as "MSM" are also typically the ones that unearth horrible things about him, and many of them are also historically really, really reliable. The New York Times have won 122 pulitzer prizes and citations (source), and The Washington Post has won 46 pulitzers (source). The Associated Press, which is incredibly unbiased historically, got labeled as "MSM" or "fake news" by trump. TIME, which came to prominence after their graphic, on-the-ground, unbiased reporting of WW2 (and gained further circulation after more war-time reporting), got labelled as fake after they had 8 of their first 10 covers portraying trump or someone close to him in negative light (here they all are since the beginning of this year, if you want to see them). Politico, which exists to literally give all sides to a political issue, got labelled as fake once they started slamming trump. for the past 18 months, it's felt as though trump and his cronies have put up a heavy assault against hallowed american news organizations (and some international ones, like Reuters). that's why I felt fear last night when I read that trump (supposedly) proposed to comey that the FBI start arresting reporters who publish government leaks (source), because it seemed like the embodiment of what's been happening the past year-and-a-half. finally what many have been fearing for a while, the Freedom of the Press no longer being a thing under trump, was finally coming to be. hopefully you can understand why many fear that.
    as for the organizations that trump seems to trust or has not yet labelled as fake news, they suck. Breitbart is basically an alt-right conspiracy website that was (and probably still is, I haven't looked into it since bannon left) run by a white supremacist. InfoWars is the same situation as Breitbart, except they have a radio/talk show with Alex Jones (who recently had the custody of his children taken from him because of the beliefs he expressed on that show). Fox News is probably the most reliable news source that trump has said he trusted, but they've been plagued by claims of sexual assault and rapes by ex-employees (see: Bill O'Reilly and Roger Ailes). these toxic organizations have helped spread the actual fake news for the past few years (PizzaGate is not a thing, and Benghazi was blown waaaayyyyy out of proportion). the fact that these organizations are taken seriously by anyone, let alone the president, is horrifying. we can't as a country let these sources become mainstream, otherwise we will lead both ourselves and others back into the past.
    as for the big man himself, he's a serial liar. the man lied his way out of the military, through college, through his business career, through the campaign, and now he lies as president. he scammed people by lying about how good Trump University was. he lied about the crowd size at his inauguration. he lied about how tall the buildings he built in New York were. he lied about how he "never settles [lawsuits]". he lied about how much he would get done in the first 100 days of his presidency. he lied when he said that if he was president, he would be so committed to the american people that he would never golf (ha!). according to Politifact, which rates politicians' claims based on a level of truth-ness, trump has told some form of the truth only 32% of the time (out of the 406 statements rated), and only told the full truth 5% of the time (also of the 406 statements recorded) (source). to put that in perspective, Barack Obama told some form of the truth 75% of the time (of 597 statements rated), and told the full truth 21% of the time (also of the 597 statements recorded) (source). fellow republican Speaker of the House Paul Ryan has told some form of the truth 58% of the time (out of 74 statements rated), and told the full truth 14% of the time (also out of 74 statements rated). trump's truth statistics are pretty abysmal, so why trust him over news organizations?
    also this:
    last I checked this wasn't false? many women had come forward and said that he had sexually assaulted them, and that bus tape with Billy Bush that came out essentially proved that it happened. there's also the "prostitute pee-party" dossier that came out, though that was unsubstantiated (so far).
    octo brought up a nice comparison to Orwell's 1984. Big trump-ther has done a nice job with his brainwashing techniques so far.
    as for russia his connections to russia, let me leave you with this quote:
    "when there is this much smoke, you begin to believe there is a fire"
     
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  15. alexander

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    you really assume the 'mainstream media' is so innocent? what about donna brazile who resigned from CNN (why didnt you mention any TV news?) after admitting she abused her position as commentator to feed hillary debate questions?
    or how about the new york times, recipient of so many of those pulitzer prizes you mentioned? oh last i heard liz spayd (the public editor of NYT) criticized contributors to the publication as "seeing the world in a certain way...not being in touch with, with people who don't live like them or don't live in cities..."

    as for all those lies you mentioned theyre all harmless...who cares if he lied about the amount of people at inaug? also if he lies (exaggerates) so often, how can you use his 'pussy grabbing' statement as proof of sexual harassment? and obviously he cannot deliver on all the promises he made because of various forms of opposition. did obama deliver on all his campaign promises? :confused: just because you cant trust the man, does it mean he is guilty?

    anyway this 'comey memo' is a laughable last-ditch effort to smear trump for this unending russia liberal fantasy. firstly flynn was cleared by FBI on jan 24. trump and comey had dinner on jan 27.
    a question for you: why did comey wait until he was fired if he had dirt on trump? in reality he would be incriminating himself if his allegations were true, lmao:
    "Under the law, Comey is required to immediately inform the Department of Justice of any attempt to obstruct justice by any person, even the President of the United States. Failure to do so would result in criminal charges against Comey. (18 USC 4 and 28 USC 1361) He would also, upon sufficient proof, lose his license to practice law." (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/05/16/gregg-jarrett-comeys-revenge-is-gun-without-powder.html) yea, its fox, talk all the **** you want, but you can look up the given codes
     
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  16. TeamPhantom

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    All right a whole lot of words here :p I'll break it up to reply as best as I can.
    I wasn't really a Trump fan through like 7/8ths of his campaign so for the most part little of what he said would have effected my opinion of the MSM. Most of my retaliation of how bad the media was from how they acted toward other Conservatives whom I like such as Mark Dice and Paul Joseph Watson. Another huge thing that made me realize how shitty dumb they where was when they attacked pewdepie, or whatever that youtube name is, I believe it was the Washington Post that did it and they just accused him of being a Nazi and literally ripped into him on such a useless matter I mean he is just some dude that is a video gamer youtuber that happens to have 55milion subs so it was like they were afraid of him or something because he has a powerful position on spreading news if he wanted to, either way to was Fake News and a complete lie. Anyway my position on why I don't believe the MSM very well did not really come from what Trump has said at all.

    I agree many have been historically reliable but now many of them seem to have fallen to release very biased stuff against all those who aren't insiders. (This is not just because I like Trump, I was watching with disappointment this happening long before I was a Trump fan.)

    This is just a big conspiracy that seems it will never end, many, even in Trump administration, are working to undermine him and these news companies, like New York Times as the source you posted, are all too happy to post when it is something that will help to tear Trump down. But you should fear this, I fear this too when I read stuff like this and I hope Trump will not fall to something like that. I believe the freedom of press will not fall however under Trump in fact I think it will get better, I also fully understand why you and others fear that but I don't think it will happen and I believe Trump does have the right to attack back (with words only obviously) when they attack him.

    I don't care much for Breitbart but InfoWars is fairly legit, although Alex Jones is an extreme conspiracy theorist many of the others that work there are really good and their radio/talk show is pretty good as well as long as Alex Jones isn't on it without a large topic to talk about. Fox News is fairly legit, I don't remember Roger Ailes but the Bill O'Reilly one was not a sexual assault at all.
    You only call them toxic because you don't agree with their views many of them can be more trustworthy than some of the MSM news sources.

    I don't really recall hear the lies for, through college, and he scammed people by lying about how good Trump University was, so I would like some legit sources on that if you can. He didn't lie about the crowd size at his inauguration from what I remember, likely the lie about how tall the buildings he built in New York were, was just an exaggeration or a joke that the Fake News hyped up, either way I never saw that so give me a source to that one too.
    The "lie" he said that if he was president, he would be so committed to the american people that he would never golf, was just a joke on Obama that of course the Fake News brought up after he golfed and btw he has been very committed to the american people more than any president since probably Ronald Reagan.
    Politifact honestly sucks and they are just a super Liberal bias piece of garbage so I would hardly ever believe what they say. If you could find a more reliable source that is unbiased maybe I would believe it more.

    Some of the women that came forward have now said that didn't happen, also why would the women only come forward after this tape was released? And there is no evidence to prove what they said was even I little bit true. They were just attention seekers looking to get some media attention.
    The MSM is more of a brainwasher than Trump, I mean MSNBC host Mika Brzezinski (talking about Trump and his Twitter usage) said that "he could have undermined the messaging that he can actually control exactly what people think, and that is our job" wait what? so she thinks its the media's job to control what people think?? That is messed up, no one should be controlling what we think but us alone.
    Good quote but this has been going on for so long and even Comey himself has basically shown there is no fire before for he was finally fired, so by now the smoke is obviously fake and being made by the Fake News and the Globalist insiders that will do ANYTHING to destroy Trump.
     
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  17. Eryp

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    no, I don't assume the mainstream media is innocent. ideally, all media is unbiased, reliable media. however, in a country as diverse and large as the US, it's simply not possible. click-baiting, yellow journalism, etc. is slowly becoming more apparent as time goes on
    the sources I listed were the ones that have been more active in the pursuit of the trump - russia ties. as of yet, tv news has really only relayed what print, online, and primary sources have found. by calling tv news "fake", you're really calling what their reporting "fake", and their reporting primarily comes from those same print, online, and primary sources.
    as for donna brazile, that doesn't make CNN "fake", it only shows that the DNC rigged the democratic nomination for hillary.

    if you're saying that the NYT doesn't bring in outsiders' perspective as much as they should, and that makes them fake? if you are, then let me say this. if a news organization in rural nebraska that only brings in local wheat and corn farmers' perspectives released the same exact bombshell story, would that make the newspaper (and the story) fake?
    if you're saying that the public editor of the NYT criticising it makes it fake, I would argue the opposite. it shows that the news organization has the integrity to rate its own appeal and outlook on the news. also, who would ever expect a newspaper founded in NYC to have a slight liberal and city bias?

    lol doing anything as president effects people across the country. lying as president jeopardizes people across the country.
    as for the pussy grabbing statement, it came when he A) didn't know he was being recorded and B) happened with only 2 people on the bus. he had absolutely no reason to lie about that. if he did lie about it, it shows his incompetency and ludeness, two qualities a president should not have. if he wasn't lying, then he's a sexual predator. then there's the women who accused him of sexual harassment.
    both houses of congress are a republican majority and the supreme court is now 5-4 leaning right. he should have no trouble getting anything signed if he knew what he was doing.
    obama didn't deliver on all of his campaign promises, but neither did any other president. trump is different however, in that you can describe the early days of his presidency like this: gorsuch & scandals x1000
    and no I don't trust the man. however, there is a ton of other incriminating evidence coming out that I do trust. again, "when there is this much smoke, you begin to believe there is a fire"

    lol

    alright first off that's an opinion article.
    I read the article and then looked up the referenced clauses. the only two news articles that came up were a right-wing conspiracy site and that article. the only other things relevant time-wise that came up were two forums, and those aren't really reliable so it might not be a big deal (yet)?
    despite this, I looked up some info on the clauses, and I think I found some legal jargon related to it:
    "Federal Crime Reporting Statute
    The federal offense of failure to disclose a felony, if coupled with some act concealing the felony, such as suppression of evidence, harboring or protecting the person performing the felony, intimidation or harming a witness, or any other act designed to conceal from authorities the fact that a crime has been committed.
    Title 18 U.S.C. § 4. Misprision of felony. Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
    A federal judge, or any other government official, is required as part of the judge’s mandatory administrative duties, to receive any offer of information of a federal crime. If that judge blocks such report, that block is a felony under related obstruction of justice statutes, and constitutes a serious offense.
    Upon receiving such information, the judge is then required to make it known to a government law enforcement body that is not themselves involved in the federal crime." (sic.)
    "Another Federal Statute for Forcing A
    Federal Officer To Perform a Mandatory Duty
    Another federal statute exists for reporting high-level corruption in government:
    Title 28 U.S.C. § 1361. Action to compel an officer of the United States to perform his duty. The district courts shall have original jurisdiction of any action in the nature of mandamus to compel an officer or employee of the United States or any agency thereof to perform a duty owed to the plaintiff.
    This federal statute permits any citizen to file a lawsuit in the federal courts to obtain a court order requiring a federal official to perform a mandatory duty and to halt unlawful acts. This statute is Title 28 U.S.C. § 1361." (sic.)
    (from Jim Craven's Blog)
    though the blog appears to be another one that's laden with conspiracy theories, I think the legal jargon is legit. excuse its conspiracies for a bit.
    courtesy of the blog, it states that the first of the two mentioned clauses says that the government can charge someone for not reporting a crime that they know about. the second clause mentioned states that a federal officer must do what s/he is told to do whilst abiding the law. in the case of comey and trump, it means that he could (keyword could, because again, I'm not sure if either of these would apply in this situation) be arrested for knowing that the donald committed a crime. this leaves us with 3 likely scenarios:
    1) comey knew/thought that trump committed a crime and didn't report it. result: DJT and comey both arrested
    2) comey didn't know/didn't think that the donald committed a crime and didn't report it result: comey not arrested, DJT arrested for committing a crime
    3) comey knew/thought that trump didn't commit a crime. result: neither are arrested or effected under this clause
    you'll notice that your point doesn't un-incriminate trump.
    comey would wait until he was fired before releasing because, from what I've seen and heard so far, he thought that doing so would effect the investigation. he got it on memo though because he thought it was sketchy.I don't know, it was probably a hard situation to be put in as the acting FBI director.
     
  18. alexander

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    -sure, its not all "false" news. i dont think donald trump really believes it to be wholly false, for obviously there are factual events. but one must consider that in a publication with a clear political bias its news stories contain subjectivity (opinion), oftentimes conjectures not fully substantiated with evidence, posing as objectivity (fact) (ex: "this executive order trump just passed is bad !" or "trumpcare is bad because x")
    -trump hasnt been caught lying about anything that would "jeopardize people across the country". he has not been proven guilty of sexual harassment
    -its not really fair to give the phrase "if he knew what he was doing", thats an opinion. and to me it seems like he has been working pretty hard (http://www.businessinsider.com/trum...roclamations-presidential-action-guide-2017-1)
    -your quote about smoke and fire is simply refuted with this one: "innocent until proven guilty"
    -you didnt take into account that comey only comes out with this memo months after the fact. if he now claims that trump was obstructing justice, he would have considered it when he heard it from trump's mouth. your options 1-3 operate on the assumption that comey is telling the truth, and i dont have much reason to believe he is telling the truth. for A) we have not seen the memo, B) flynn was cleared by FBI before they met, and C) it seems unrealistic that comey had a sudden realization about that memo after losing his job. personally i dont think anything will happen from this wild claim, but we'll see
     
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    hmmm what to do what to do? i wonder when someone will lock this oh yeah....that won't happen now.
     
  20. Eryp

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    the idea that news that insults trump=bad came from trump. what I'm saying is that if you use terms like "MSM", "fake news", "fake", n that context, you were influenced by trump.
    I totally get ignoring a news source because they diss someone you like. however, that shouldn't make you discount anything they ever say after that as "fake". it gets dangerous when a bunch of people do the same, because when they report something true that may effect some of the people ignoring it, then someone is going to get screwed just because they refused to inform themselves with something they deemed "fake".
    as for pewdiepie, that comes back to the click-bait thing I mentioned in my response to alex. I mean, if you're running a company and you see the most popular youtube channel had recenty posted something that involved joking about nazis, wouldn't you think about running an article about it? if said article generated enough revenue, would you care about how people reacted? but again, that doesn't make The Washington Post "fake news".
    as for current reliability, newspapers that have been deemed "fake news" by trump won (at least, I haven't kept track of who else he's called "fake") 10 pulitzers this year. can you clarify what you mean by "insiders" by the way? idk what you mean

    do you have any evidence that it's a conspiracy to undermine trump instead of it being reporting on trump being an absolute moron?

    "STUDY: UNVACCINATED YOUTH HAVE MUCH LOWER RATES OF CHRONIC ILLNESS"
    "CNN’S BASH ADMITS COMEY MEMO IS 'DEEP STATE' REVENGE AGAINST DRUMPF"
    "CNN HOST HAS MELTDOWN ON-AIR: ‘YOU CANNOT ATTACK THE STELLAR REPORTERS OF CNN!’"
    so those are some InfoWars headlines. I can tell you for a fact that that anti-vaccination campaign is complete and utter BS. Deep state is a conspiracy theory about how Obama is somehow obstructing trump (?). and then the slander on CNN. those were only some of them though. none of them are factual. some of them I think are based in reality, but put a very weird spin on the facts that makes someone they don't agree with look stupid. Fox News isn't like InfoWars in that it's not a conspiracy site, but it's heavily biased and pretty wrong about a lot of things as well. their biased in what they report and don't report. it took them hours to report about the stuff from the meeting with the russian foreign ambassador, but only minutes to cover the Seth Rich stuff (which, by the way, is also not rooted in reality). for example, the thing about a colorado town being overrun by homeless pot smokers currently on their homepage is almost as prominent as the stuff about trump. it's a subtle difference, but it makes a difference to people who look at stuff like that all day long.
    here's some roger ailes stuff: (NYT) (NBC) (CNN) (CBS)

    my bad about the through college. I meant about his college reputation. he frequently claims that he graduated top of his class from the Wharton School of Business and the University of Pennsylvania, but there's no evidence of that (source). that's what I meant about trump university. his administration lied about crowd size (you can look at the first press conference given by sean spicer for this one). here's some stuff about the building height (original source was a documentary video but I couldn't find it).
    he hasn't done anything for the american people yet except nominate gorsuch to the supreme court, and that screws over women who want an abortion.
    fine, those links above are all about his lies. and for good measure, here's some stuff from the Wall Street Journal, which is a right-leaning publication.

    calling women that claim to have been raped "attention seekers" is victim blaming. they would come forward after the tape was released because they probably finally felt like it was time to admit it. it's hard to go public with a sexual assault claim, because people often scrutinize the victim way more than they should.
    as for the Brzezinski quote, it was taken out of context (much like many quotes like that one are). she was saying that the media are the ones who provide information to the people, and then she said trump was giving information straight to the people without the media reporting on it and cleaning it up first, and that gave trump the sole power of giving out information to the people. she meant it like that it was the media's job to give the people the information they need to make their own judgments.
    comey has shown there is enough smoke to find a fire by continuing the russia and flynn investigations.
    globalism is needed in today's world. it's not evil. sorry.


    I could say the same exact thing to you, but your sources are the ones that seem to be lacking in the "based-in-reality" department

    he's lied about how repealing obamacare would be beneficial to the country. he's lied about how effective the wall will be. both of those have wide-reaching effects that span hundreds of millions of people. and that's only some.

    trump has spent about 1/4 of his presidency on vacation, and he hasn't been president for any major holidays yet. the dude goes to mar-a-lago really often. if he knew what he was doing, he would know how to get a piece of legislation across a republican congress.

    I mean sure, but look at watergate

    from what I understand he made the memo at the time but didn't tell anyone about it because he was afraid it would make his investigation look biased. it would make sense that he only releases the memo now that he no longer heads that investigation though.

     
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