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Discussion in 'Races' started by mR..A, Oct 31, 2016.

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PrestonII Well-Known Member Official Author

RAPPERJACK said: ↑

U said you made the name when you are 8 but u r 6 years old
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he's being ironic, vagrant

PrestonII, Oct 21, 2020

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adversitas Well-Known Member Team Truck Official Author

cctvcctvcctv said: ↑

Personally, I've never believed that "ghosting" and "spacebarring" should be treated as one and the same, rather one as an over-used technique of the other. In my opinion, Stig is correct in that spacebarring has always felt rather unethical for abusing the finer mechanics of the game. Granted "anybody can learn to use it", but it is generally pretty covert in that it's never mentioned anywhere on the game database for "unaware" members to learn about, instead being shared through comments or the occasional track description at best. Most people never join the forums, let alone the discord, and learn more about the game and community. Indeed most only play the game for a week or two and then leave.

One of the great failings that I feel the devs should never be forgiven for is that there is a complete lack of tutorial for beginners to learn about ghosting, even more so trackmaking come to that but this post is about ghosting. The campaigns only teach you the very basics, as in which keys to press to move and how to land a jump, and then after the first 20 tracks or so the difficulty unexpectedly ramps up as you realise the "tutorial" is over and the rest of the campaign is just a showcase. More advanced ghosting techniques one can only learn through experience and watching other people's ghosts, and most people never get that far before quitting.

Spacebarring when compared to all this is a pretty small issue, which is why I tend to leave it alone and even explain what it is to newer players, since if you're in any way competitive you're going to need to be aware of the technique. What I don't agree with is that some people don't seem to realise that it is just a technique, instead believing that ghosting and spacebarring are synonyms, which is true unfortunately for the higher tiers of the ghosting community, but it doesn't have to be this way. One simple fix that I've had in mind for a while is the concept of a dual leaderboard. The devs will probs never implement this sadly but the gist is that every track has one leaderboard with times as they are now, where when you click on a ghost it'll show you the replay of the person completing the track, while the other leaderboard contains times actually affected by spacebarring, where if you click on a spacebarred run you'd actually see the pauses the ghoster took as they completed their run, therefore leading to a slower time, making it more likely that a non-spacebarred run would beat them. They could be navigated by tabs, and you could perhaps have hover text explaining what spacebarring is. This would make ghosting much fairer in my opinion, as it would supply information to newer players not just on what spacebarring is, but that it is a separate technique which makes completing a track with a faster time easier to do, if one is aiming for the non-spacebar affected leaderboard. URLs could be adjusted so that frhd.co/track/r/ghoster gives the spacebar affected run, while frhd.co/track/nr/ghoster or something similar would take the space inputs away from ghost data, playing the ghost as it would appear if it were not spacebarred.
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that'd be great aslong as the spacebarrer's ghost doesn't show the pauses unless you select a check box to do so. us spacebarrers like to see these satisfying ghosts. There needs to be another free rider game lool. now's the time but no companies' gonna take over right.
Free Rider 2007 - 202x

adversitas, Oct 21, 2020

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PrestonII Well-Known Member Official Author

adversitas said: ↑

There needs to be another free rider game lool
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Spacebar rider?

PrestonII, Oct 21, 2020

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adversitas Well-Known Member Team Truck Official Author

PrestonII said: ↑

Spacebar rider?
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no

adversitas, Oct 21, 2020

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Noob Honorary Featured Ghost Mod Ghost Moderator Official Author

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Stig said: ↑

I believe you should now be able to moderate this forum section (including editing this thread).
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correcto

Noob, Oct 21, 2020

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Stig you sound like a 50 year old woman nagging about her husband in bed. while you’re supposed to be supporting each other.

Madara, Oct 21, 2020

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http://frhd.co/t/330575-diaspora/r/boostbutt ideka eureka
edit: http://frhd.co/t/527228-anti-gravity-practice/r/boostbutt ideka erueka

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Cerasium, Oct 21, 2020

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What does it mean to have a featured ghost?

Unadvertised, Oct 21, 2020

#4308
Noob Honorary Featured Ghost Mod Ghost Moderator Official Author

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Unadvertised said: ↑

What does it mean to have a featured ghost?
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to have a ghost featured

Noob, Oct 21, 2020

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Noob said: ↑

to have a ghost featured
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Well said

Unadvertised, Oct 21, 2020

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INCINERATOR Well-Known Member Official Author

Just reading a couple of pages back what a shitshow lol

INCINERATOR, Oct 22, 2020

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Noob said: ↑

there was no bias in the thread tho, we had higher standards for our own ghosts. hence why outs rarely, if ever got beaten. we also mare an unwritten rule to ourselves to not beat other players' ghosts
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tbh this is something we've been saying for five years but it apparently still either wasn't believable to some back in the day or just flew under everybody's radars

Stig said: ↑

I made you and bt ghost mods. I believe you should now be able to moderate this forum section (including editing this thread).
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stig my love, thank you from the bottom of my spacebar

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Backtwice, Oct 22, 2020

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NotSoSure Well-Known Member

I know this is the wrong thread but want a quick answer; can I write curse words on a track, or is that NSFW?

NotSoSure, Oct 22, 2020

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Noob Honorary Featured Ghost Mod Ghost Moderator Official Author

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NotSoSure said: ↑

I know this is the wrong thread but want a quick answer; can I write curse words on a track, or is that NSFW?
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that's a big no-no most definitely

Noob, Oct 22, 2020

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NotSoSure Well-Known Member

Noob said: ↑

that's a big no-no most definitely
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dang okay

NotSoSure, Oct 22, 2020

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Sltg28 Well-Known Member Team Helicopter Official Author

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pawflix said: ↑

This amuses me. I know that I am a nobody here, with no feats or awards of any kind, but that could be in my favor. Let's start with "ghosting has ruined this game forever." I find this statement incredibly confusing, especially considering your lack of clarification regarding ghosting ruining the game. In Free Rider HD, a game I'm sure you have played, players race against other players by competing for a higher time. Other players are represented by "ghosts" that show you their best run in real-time. Every track has a Leaderboard, which shows the 10 best times/ghosts players have achieved on said track. Now, you may be wondering why I am stating something so incredibly obvious, and that's because I think anybody who knows this can understand why "ghosting" is not only popular but an integral part of the game. Ghosting is natural, as there are leaderboards that we would all like to see our names on, with an impressive show of "skill," the ghost, proving our worthiness. People tend to enjoy recognition, so it makes a lot of sense that ghosting exists. Ghosting has not ruined this game, the opposite can be easily argued, and saying that makes you look like a fool Stig. Now unless you are willing to say that this game was doomed from the start, you are entirely wrong, with no logic or reasoning that can make you right. Quit stating your opinions as is they are facts.

Next, and lastly, ghosting as "a tool to further deceive players of your superior skills" is incredibly bold, and wrong of you to say. To an extent, I do agree with you; spacebarring is somewhat deceptive, as some may wrongly think someone did it in real-time, anyone who has played the game for awhile will know what spacebarring is, and have their own opinion of it. Yes, it may seem dishonest, but the players put time and effort into the game that you did not, and you have no right to take that away from them. I do not spacebar, partly because I can't, but mostly because I would rather achieve times "legitimately," and have a clean résumé.

I just don't understand why you seem so hellbent on destroying the game, by destroying the community. Your community. If you don't think playing the game is right, then the best thing you can do for yourself is to stop playing it, and not stop others from continuing to play.
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I agree with the stranger

Sltg28, Oct 22, 2020

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Sltg28 Well-Known Member Team Helicopter Official Author

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cctvcctvcctv said: ↑

Personally, I've never believed that "ghosting" and "spacebarring" should be treated as one and the same, rather one as an over-used technique of the other. In my opinion, Stig is correct in that spacebarring has always felt rather unethical for abusing the finer mechanics of the game. Granted "anybody can learn to use it", but it is generally pretty covert in that it's never mentioned anywhere on the game database for "unaware" members to learn about, instead being shared through comments or the occasional track description at best. Most people never join the forums, let alone the discord, and learn more about the game and community. Indeed most only play the game for a week or two and then leave.

One of the great failings that I feel the devs should never be forgiven for is that there is a complete lack of tutorial for beginners to learn about ghosting, even more so trackmaking come to that but this post is about ghosting. The campaigns only teach you the very basics, as in which keys to press to move and how to land a jump, and then after the first 20 tracks or so the difficulty unexpectedly ramps up as you realise the "tutorial" is over and the rest of the campaign is just a showcase. More advanced ghosting techniques one can only learn through experience and watching other people's ghosts, and most people never get that far before quitting.

Spacebarring when compared to all this is a pretty small issue, which is why I tend to leave it alone and even explain what it is to newer players, since if you're in any way competitive you're going to need to be aware of the technique. What I don't agree with is that some people don't seem to realise that it is just a technique, instead believing that ghosting and spacebarring are synonyms, which is true unfortunately for the higher tiers of the ghosting community, but it doesn't have to be this way. One simple fix that I've had in mind for a while is the concept of a dual leaderboard. The devs will probs never implement this sadly but the gist is that every track has one leaderboard with times as they are now, where when you click on a ghost it'll show you the replay of the person completing the track, while the other leaderboard contains times actually affected by spacebarring, where if you click on a spacebarred run you'd actually see the pauses the ghoster took as they completed their run, therefore leading to a slower time, making it more likely that a non-spacebarred run would beat them. They could be navigated by tabs, and you could perhaps have hover text explaining what spacebarring is. This would make ghosting much fairer in my opinion, as it would supply information to newer players not just on what spacebarring is, but that it is a separate technique which makes completing a track with a faster time easier to do, if one is aiming for the non-spacebar affected leaderboard. URLs could be adjusted so that frhd.co/track/r/ghoster gives the spacebar affected run, while frhd.co/track/nr/ghoster or something similar would take the space inputs away from ghost data, playing the ghost as it would appear if it were not spacebarred.
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Not going to read that

Sltg28, Oct 22, 2020

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Sltg28 said: ↑

Not going to read that
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Then don't. You don't need our approval.

RubeGoldberger, Oct 22, 2020

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Sltg28 Well-Known Member Team Helicopter Official Author

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RubeGoldberger said: ↑

Then don't. You don't need our approval.
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ok boomer

Sltg28, Oct 22, 2020

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Backtwice stole two of RedOrBlue 's ghosts

http://frhd.co/t/260513
http://frhd.co/t/196676

Well done!

Calculus, Oct 22, 2020

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