FRHD Chat Thread

"white Christian males" so i take it you like Muslims better then Christians, well i'll tell you what if these "white Christian males" are really causing so much crime then they are not Christians plan as that but claim to be be what they are not. and also the media is pushing down Christians and lifting up Muslims. which makes Christians look bad and wicked and Muslims look nice and perfict

 

MikMox
Your statement regarding white christian males is false. Blacks and hispanics are comparable to middle-eastern/african refugees when it comes to crime rates. White atheist men are also more prone to crime than christians, due to less strong morals. The problem isn't the culture, but rather how your country deals with poverty and social outcasts. Poverty/not feeling like a part of society/polarization btw ethnic groups are in most cases the reasons for crimes such as theft, murder and rape
Donald trumps politics will increase poverty, have more people feel left out, and thus cause more crime.

And i totally ignored grammar in this post lol.
Edit, sry for quoting ur post crypt, i quoted wrong

 

I generally agree with you here, but what was that about atheists? You say someone's culture doesn't influence their likelihood to commit crime but rather how their culture is treated in the country, yet you say atheists commit crimes because their morals aren't as good. Not believing in a god doesn't mean you don't care about your fellow man, just like how being a Muslim doesn't mean you don't care either.

 

Religious people feel obligated to act by set morals due to belief in afterlife consequences, while to atheists there aren't any unless they break the law. But that doesn't mean there aren't criminal christians aswell, and kind people within atheism. With those facts on the table, I've personally always found the average atheist to be an ignorant douche though lol, which makes it totally believable for me.
And i didnt say their culture doesnt influence their likelyhood to commit crimes, because it certainly does (although i can see how i expressed myself in an easily misinterpreted way, sorry). I just pointed out stronger and more influental factors than their culture which everyone can relate to, thus understanding that polarization of different cultures wont neccessarily decrease crime rates.

 

The northern lights are out...

 

Stig from my personal experience and I suppose beliefs as well, there isn't just one outright factor that would cause someone to break the law. Religion or there lack of wouldn't be a defining factor. In my opinion we would more be looking at status, upbringing and the environment in which someone lives.

In terms of Muslim's etc, reading some of these comments actually astounds me...

 

yeah dude they really are. I took some quick snaps with my dslr of them plus my challenger. pics to come

 

That's a silly assumption based on personal bias. I could make the same claim about Christians because many of them I've met view themselves as "saints" that must preach the ways of Christ to us unwashed heathens and shove their religious ideologies down our throat. Or I could remind you how many fringe/terrorist groups are religion-based. But I don't, because just because someone does or doesn't believe in god that doesn't mean they're going to not adhere to a set of morals. I for example would consider myself an agnostic, but still have a set of morals because I care about my fellow man and think life is a beautiful thing that everyone should be able to experience if they also respect their fellow man. The notion that someone needs to believe in a god to know how to do the right thing is kind of ridiculous, and you don't seem to have some sort of concrete evidence that atheists are significantly more violent than theists.

 

i didnt say atheists are specifically more violent than theists, thats an out of context reply. I specifically refered to christian males.
Youre also mixing what i presented as facts, and what i presented as personal opinions. No im not going to present evidence for the facts as i dont care enough to do so, but i remember it from an online paper i read some months back. If you are interested you may aswell attempt to look it up yourself i dont care
...nor did i say atheists dont have morals either. I said christians have a stronger bond to their religious morals, as it is a center piece of their belief, unlike atheists who go by different individual morals, coming from either their environment or society. (My point being they differ in strength based on the average christian and avrg atheist, due to the strong commitment to a religion, which in this case is christianity)

And, you say its ridiculous to believe in a god to know whats right, but do you realize most of today's western laws, ethics/morals etc root from christianity?

Youre drawing arguments from thin air by intentionally tweaking and assuming based on what i said to make an opposing point.

But im not done; for my final strike, (OBS contradictive sentence) where you said you werent gonna point out that most terrorist organizations are religious: the greatest terror organization in the world is the USA. The terrorist organizations you know as religious, are a result from american terrorism in what happens to be religious areas. Ofcourse terror organization is a subjective phrase, and as you may strongly disagree with me on usa being terrorists, you have no more right to present isis etc as terrorists either.

 

Is it though? All of the major religions have a set of morals, and all religions have people who break these morals and interpret these morals differently. If you're going to say Christian males have stronger morals then it would only make sense for you to think most of the major religions have stronger morals than atheists, because they theoretically do.

I never really explicitly stated what I thought you were presenting on facts, but since you seem to think I've got it mixed up... Here's what I think. Almost everything you presented here is an opinion. Yes, in theory, people who are religious have that to dissuade them from sinning, in their eyes. But first of all, let's not forget that the true "rules" of Christianity or any religion isn't going to be adhered to by everyone who practices it, and there's people who will use religion as a means to gain power. And religious people may take matters into their own hands and go wacko on anyone who doesn't practice their religion. Crusades?

My point is it just seems asinine to assume Christian males are less violent than atheists based on the morals they theoretically follow. It's your opinion, yes, but I'm just saying it seems like a biased and unreasonable one. It could go either way in terms of whose more violent these days, which is what I'm trying to say. I don't know, you don't know. We can only guess, but what makes you think your guess is right?

This was worded incorrectly on my part, as you said atheists just have not as strong morals. Which is still an opinion, because again, we can't say whether the average atheist or christian has stronger morals, you're just saying christians do based on personal experience. And again that's you're opinion, and that's fine, but I just think it seems a bit shortsighted because how would you know.

There's no doubt that the people who wrote the bible had some great ideas on what people should do and should not do. But back when the USA was founded for example, with many of the morals taught by the bible incorporated in the laws, almost everyone was religious, so of course they based their laws off of that book that taught these morals. We know that in a society, naturally, that these sins described in the bible hurt each other, we don't even need a bible to tell us that. But that doesn't mean we're going to avoid doing them. Humans are greedy creatures. They can still be assholes whether they know it or not and whether they're religious or not, so laws prevent that from happening when religious beliefs can't.

I made some mistakes in my writing and wording. It probably happened in the above text as well. But my point still stands, and there's still plenty to go against your argument.

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For real though, both have the right to express our opinions, except that wasn't me stating an actual opinion but me providing an example of what I could use against your subjective argument based on personal opinions if I wanted to do the same thing as you. Yet you're presenting atheists as more violent than christian males. What gives you the right to say that if I can't present isis as a terrorist group? Seems pretty hypocritical.

 

incorrect assumption opinion subjectively morals bias wording hypocrite classicism argument!!

 

I agree

 

Post picture on photography thread?

 

He did lol

 

Maybe I should have checked first XD

 

A Moon Shaped Pool

 

Honestly I like trying to imagine what the states would look like if we got into a civil war and split into a few nations, just based on the rising tensions and disagreements between regions, economically, politically, socially and geographically. It'd be weird to see where they'd form and what states would want what for their people, as well as how they'd govorn themselves. Obviously some would be far more liberal than others haha

My guess would be:

-"California Republic"
-"PNW" (Oregon, Washington)
-"Mormonia" (Utah, maybe some of Idaho)
-Navajo and Hopi nations would gain independence from all new countries formed
-"Central Union" (everything unnamed that is west of the Rockies)
-"Midwestern Union"
-"Northeastern Union"
-"New America" (The south)
-"Alaska" Would become independent and would run into problems with zoning natives and former US citizens
-Southern Florida (Miami and the Keys) and the Caribbean islands we own would form the "Carribean union"
-Hawaiian islands, Guam, American Samoa, and other Pacific islands we own would all gain own independence

I could draw a map up later haha

What do you guys think?

 

*New California Republic

Haha Fallout New Vegas

 

Illinois-"Chicago & Farms Union"

 

Ooh and not to mention that Texas would likely secede into it's own nation