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Elibloodthirst said: ↑

Hi Guys,

another vote this time it is https://www.freeriderhd.com/t/983479-landslide by long time stander FTR (Flying T Rex)

final vote: 4 YAY 0 NAY

well deserved and well overdue can't wait to see what else you got for us moustache man
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Thanks for the feedback, really appreciated! Sorry for the blob

Better things coming soon!

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Flying_T_Rex, Jul 15, 2024

#281

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Elibloodthirst said: ↑

Hi guys,

a really close one and potential first feature for sltg28

https://www.freeriderhd.com/t/983302-the-less-i-know-the-better

final verdict: 5 YAY 4 NAY

very close, congratulation please improve on yourself as you have been and dream big!
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thanks y'all! will make sure to improve and make better tracks from now on

Sltg28, Jul 17, 2024

#282

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Hi guys,
Fever dream by moi

https://www.freeriderhd.com/t/983727-fever-dream by moinotchubb

rationalities said: ↑

it's a huge track in size but the detail is just sloppy all around. for example the wrecking ball and the machine. the scenery lines are hardly within the lines. the ship detail is minute and the Bugatti on it isn't even finished. the motel sign isn't finished yet. i feel like we are just giving features out like candy now and I myself was included in that. it's a solid track and is neat to look at but when you zoom in and look at the detail it looks rushed. this might sound like i'm just bashing the guy but more so I think we have just been lenient on our standards for featuring tracks. Really do like this track, though. Spent minutes just gazing at each part of the track. The ride is super diverse and although I don't enjoy a lot of powerups on tracks that shouldn't be a factor just my opinion. Solid track but it's a no from me. Moinotchubb has potential. Just take more time and really polish everything out next time. Add more finite details to your floating rocks. Keep your lines clean and work on filling empty space.
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Elibloodthirst said: ↑

You can see mid track where his ability steps up. I want to make this very clear.

Some of the artwork is very good of a standard, up to my standards almost and you can tell where he has put that extra bit of effort into it. The downside to this is he hasn't gone back and fully flushed areas that have needed improving despite asking.
Rides fine, it recycles a lot so I would have liked the stars to be numbered, good use of vehicles. Blob sections relatively fun.

Some glaring areas of roughness or not as flushed as they can be like the boat or the windmill area but I don't think that outweighs the good

It's a yes from me, albeit weak. If a 70/100 is the feat line it's a 74. That being said very excited for your future, you're clearly understanding what has to be done

As a side note, whilst I realise that we have had a few more of standard recently, you have to think we've agreed to lower standards and reward hard work to newer makers. This for moi is leaps and bounds beyond his feature, the downside though is he's done it mid track and whilst I understand not wanting to reward that, the track is of standard or better than some of the other stuff recently and I don't see why we wouldn't reward it.
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Final vote 5 YAY 3 NAY

congratulations

Elibloodthirst, Jul 23, 2024

#283

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https://www.freeriderhd.com/t/954517-levels
Posted this track last year after working on it for a really long time. Took ages with the detail and I think its a really good ride with a few different secret areas to explore. Is this where I apply to get it featured? Was bummed it didn't get a feature becuase I thought it would be of the standard. Lmk Plz

J_Rider, Aug 28, 2024

#284

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J_Rider said: ↑

https://www.freeriderhd.com/t/954517-levels
Posted this track last year after working on it for a really long time. Took ages with the detail and I think its a really good ride with a few different secret areas to explore. Is this where I apply to get it featured? Was bummed it didn't get a feature becuase I thought it would be of the standard. Lmk Plz
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I have no say in what gets featured but I'm going to give you feedback anyway because I love your track.

Your drawings have so much character. They're sort of clumsy and primitive but in an endearing way. Your work reminds me of grandma Moses, whose lack of formal training didn't inhibit her paintings, but instead allowed her to create what couldn't be made by someone concerned with proper perspective and smooth line quality. I think your disregard of conventional drawing techniques makes your artwork wonderfully unique.
The shapes of the trees are so interesting and the river is inexplicably evocative. Your drawings are bold and folk-artsy. The variety of scale is also very pleasing.

I also can't help but love some of the little drawings interspersed among the track. I especially love the trampoline, the pictograph of the levels skatepark, the iphone pic of the bros, the picture of the two middle aged white guys on a beach, the mini pirate ship battle, the "shape" graph, and best of all, the mini comic with numbered panels.

Reasons this track might not get featured:
- Nearly all of the art appears to be drawn with the brush tool at its smallest line segment setting. Many think this is a rookie move because it looks hurried and sloppy. (I like the quality it gives to your drawings)
- No clear theme. I think tracks tend to be more impactful when they have an overarching theme, story or aesthetic.
- Esoteric "symbols" don't hit the same for those of us who have no idea what you're referring to. This is why I don't usually like song lyrics in tracks. Without the music they def don't hit the same.
- Not a clear cohesion between the rideable parts of the track and the themes in the artwork.

I don't think this track will get featured but for what it's worth it has become a favorite of mine!

nasrani, Aug 28, 2024

#285

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nasrani said: ↑

I have no say in what gets featured but I'm going to give you feedback anyway because I love your track.

Your drawings have so much character. They're sort of clumsy and primitive but in an endearing way. Your work reminds me of grandma Moses, whose lack of formal training didn't inhibit her paintings, but instead allowed her to create what couldn't be made by someone concerned with proper perspective and smooth line quality. I think your disregard of conventional drawing techniques makes your artwork wonderfully unique.
The shapes of the trees are so interesting and the river is inexplicably evocative. Your drawings are bold and folk-artsy. The variety of scale is also very pleasing.

I also can't help but love some of the little drawings interspersed among the track. I especially love the trampoline, the pictograph of the levels skatepark, the iphone pic of the bros, the picture of the two middle aged white guys on a beach, the mini pirate ship battle, the "shape" graph, and best of all, the mini comic with numbered panels.

Reasons this track might not get featured:
- Nearly all of the art appears to be drawn with the brush tool at its smallest line segment setting. Many think this is a rookie move because it looks hurried and sloppy. (I like the quality it gives to your drawings)
- No clear theme. I think tracks tend to be more impactful when they have an overarching theme, story or aesthetic.
- Esoteric "symbols" don't hit the same for those of us who have no idea what you're referring to. This is why I don't usually like song lyrics in tracks. Without the music they def don't hit the same.
- Not a clear cohesion between the rideable parts of the track and the themes in the artwork.

I don't think this track will get featured but for what it's worth it has become a favorite of mine!
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Damn that means so much, thank you for taking the time to review it so in depth. I now totally see that side of things and thinking of other featured tracks I think you're right as it is more of a big random artwork than a themed experience. Thankyou again it means the world knowing someone liked the track enough to say that. It is inspiring me to get back into it and make some more tracks in the future. Cheers

J_Rider, Aug 28, 2024

#286

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SLD 3200 Subscriber Special (SoliD Fest 2024) by goofyinc
poll results: yea 5 / nay 0

Elibloodthirst said: ↑

Track rides very well apart form 1/2 jumps in the factory but considering it's a 6 minute track if you're good that's good going. Detail is as you'd expect, it's not going to be complex but it's highly effective and I love the adverts, flags and neon around the track. Scale is just unbelievable too. Yes from me, this is about as good as it'll get form this genre and eclipses that first feature.
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Ness said: ↑

arguably the first genre of free rider track, dirt jumps have been a staple of the game since the beginning. a smooth ride, preloading jumps to pop your bike from ramp to ramp, detailed with banners from brands like Monster Energy Drink and Fox Racing. SLD 3200 brings it to a new level in terms of scale and spectacle, with spotlights and graffiti-inspired logo artwork.

combining the well-made ride with the atmospheric design, and including a cool menu system that allows you to teleport to each section of the ride, all comes together awesomely. there's something to be said for a lack of variety, but honestly not a huge detriment to the quality of the track. it's a dirt jump track, it's meant to be a simple and fun ride and it succeeds in that.
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congrats on your second feature!

Ness, Aug 30, 2024

#287

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this was discussed earlier but no one posted the CC :s

Saigo No Mono by Egona (https://www.freeriderhd.com/t/984416-saigo-no-mono)
Final Vote: 2 yes, 3 no - decision, no feature.

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Eryp said: ↑

https://www.freeriderhd.com/t/984416-saigo-no-mono

will update this w cc when im not at work. initial thoughts are that its a large track with effort put into it so at the very least they deserve some CC
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Volund said: ↑

yeah was meaning to post this yesterday, good shout

i havent played yet, but i think it looks really impressive from afar. instead of just slapping a bunch of old tracks/assets around with little rhyme or reason, it looks like a legit, standalone track - perfect use of ness editor, really. will edit in CC once ive played, but i feel like this is probably a good track to feat

e [a few days later]; played through most of it, ride was whatever. will parrot what eli has said about ride being inconsistent, there were fun sections but also really annoying sections. the latter was more noticeable than the former, for future reference smooth tracks have a bar for at least being properly aligned the whole way through (ie, i shouldnt have any issues with overshooting or undershooting jumps).
however, i really like how youve stitched these tracks together. it's seamlessly done, good effort involved, and is compositionally pleasing. top left corner is especially cohesive/impressive. the detail - where it isnt rather bare - is pretty solid, though some sections really needed some TLC to elevate the track wholistically. i wish there was more rock detail like in the middle top section, looks fantastic.
all this to say, for a track of this scale, im happy to feature this. i hope this isnt your last track, but if it is, i think you can go out with your head held high. this is - imo - the first track to stitch together a bunch of smaller tracks well, to the point where it's hard for me to point out where one track ends and another begins. well done

as an aside, i really like the style of drawing used for the lighthouse at the top left. it reminds me of the cartoony style of art used for childrens books, id love for you to expand on that in the future
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Elibloodthirst said: ↑

I'm currently half way through and I can firmly say this isn't feature worthy. Ride is too inconsistent with scale like this with less detail you want something else to stick out but the jumps aren't great. The detail is good in areas and pretty poor in others.

No from me chief. I'll put some more detail into this before the deadline.
To improve:
Unsure if the ride is multiple remixes or you had one mixed in but you need to have consistency, some of this was just too slippy or never had the momentum.
Detail, you can have different styles and takes but don't make some really clean and cool and others rough and brushy it's not cohesive enough.

What's weird is after all that, that's all I can come up with. Unsure if that's a good or a bad thing, it's just scale rather than anything decent about it.
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Ness said: ↑

I'm generally not a fan of the smooth hold up type tracks, stuff that would come out of trackmill back in the day. but I think Egona pulled it off well.

a bit of variety in the track, especially considering the length of the ride. beyond a few hiccups, the ride was easy to play and navigate for the bottom half, as is expected of the style. not meant to be difficult or tricky, just going through the layout with speed. the detail in the bottom half (in the middle especially) is solid. wish there was a little more consistency though.

the top half of the track had a little more of an experimental layout, which I appreciated a lot. lots of cool thematic detail up here too, a really nice switch of pace.

overall I'm a fan of the track! it is a yes from me.
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if this is indeed your last track, i want to reiterate that it's really really good. no matter what comes next, therell always be a spot for you in this community!

Volund, Aug 31, 2024

#288

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spruce said: ↑

I'm pushing for that
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push harder what happened

AfterImage, Sep 6, 2024

#289

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LIMBO by MuchoPanda
poll results: yea 5 / nay 0

Elibloodthirst said: ↑

Detail for a first timer is solid. I know he's asked a lot of help to refine it so I'm pretty pleased with most of the outcome other than the wizard towers and the dragon which some of it feels off.
Ride I don't know, I am not good enough to judge on it but scale is also pretty damn good.

I'm at an impasse, I'm unsure how to judge something I'm not good enough for, for just the details I'd say yes.
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Ness said: ↑

yea

really awesome and unique detailing throughout the bottom half, I love the patterns, the chains, the cave detail. the art is sick too, the idea of limbo is really coolly portrayed. so many interesting ideas thrown in there.

top half feels like a different track, which makes sense thematically but I'd like to have seen some interesting stuff happening up there, something that could connect it to the bottom half. the trees are so beautiful and simply well done. I think the castles were a little messy, maybe too heavy on the detail, but I like that they are visually unique.

the ride is a lot of fun, very challenging but well-made. there's a lot of potential to improve in trying to find a variety in bike movement, best advice to give is to experiment with the ride and playtest, if it doesn't work, just experiment again. there's a lot of experiments here with the detail and art, follow that up with the ride.

good stuff man, can't wait for the next one.
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congrats!

Ness, Sep 8, 2024

#290

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Ness said: ↑

LIMBO by MuchoPanda
poll results: yea 5 / nay 0

congrats!
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<3 !!!!!

MuchoPanda, Sep 9, 2024

#291

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TPlacella said: ↑

I'd like to make a few points here (please note I'm a little salty my track didn't get featured but I'd like to address this current system and the flaws as I'm annoyed about other things)

Who gets to vote:
Currently, admins like Eryp and all VIP trackmakers get to have a say in what tracks get featured based on their feedback. I have no problem with this, but I find it annoying when the votes for a track are inconsistent, one track may have 4 people vote (like mine), and then another gets 6. Why not keep the sample size for judges consistent (I think 5-6 is a good number) it ensures more feedback for the trackmaker and more viewpoints on whether the track should get featured. Plus consistency doesn't make others less likely to get a feature.

Consistency
The VIP team aim to get feedback out within a week of a track being published if they think it's good enough for feedback or was suggested by someone. When my track was getting feedback, it took 9 days for a verdict (1-3 nay) and I'm yet to see the feedback. Like I know some people aren't available during that week but why not just extend the time for feedback to 2 weeks, it helps everyone.

Communication
The only communication the rest of the community gets when a track is getting feedback is if it's getting feedback, not who's voted or when feedback will be released. It's almost like you're just impatiently waiting (in my case I waited 9 days before getting a nay once I asked). This seems a little slack.

Judging rides
I've had a look at other feedback for tracks and sometimes the ride gets little feedback on it if the detail is so much better than the ride. But at least one person comments on improvements to the ride for all feedback which is nice. But a big problem I have is how those who gave feedback for a certain track don't even ghost it. From my knowledge and research, Eli was the only one who ghosted my track, ELI, ONE (we all know how bad Eli is at ghosting, probably the worst from the whole team, he knows it). So are you guys playing one part of the track and then that's it? Similar to my other point WHERE IS MY FEEDBACK! Who ghosted the track, who looked at the ride properly, whatever. It seems detail is the main factor for whether a track is feat worthy or not (in most cases it is) but because the detail in my track is slightly copy-paste, use of grid and cartoony, at least pay more attention to the ride. Oh, have I not mentioned for the 3rd time that I still don't have my feedback, so how tf am I meant to know what was said? (those past points are assumptions)

Feedback
This is pretty straightforward, sometimes not everyone's feedback was posted for a verdict on a track. It's either yay or nay with the vote count and one or two feedback messages from the team. COME ON, I want to know who said yay or nay and what I can improve on for future projects. It aint hard, it's almost like they only have a glance at the track and say yay or nay.

Comparisons and standard
I know I'm not a VIP or person giving feedback, but sometimes you have to question what the VIPs are thinking when they give feedback. Take Bark by Wellebelly for example, even tho it got 3-3, how in the actual f did it get featured? (now I'm really salty). The detail is clean and the ride is really neat but there isn't enough detail in the track. The track canvas is hardly filled. The elements in the track are drawn well BUT THERE IS HARDLY ANY ELEMENTS. I was always not a big fan of Well by Loge for getting featured, but I think that track shines over Bark (no hate Wellebelly). There is way more going on and I think that ride outshines the small but very clean detail of Bark. Do we need to update the guidelines for what makes a track feature worthy again? I agree with the quality over the quantity standard, but Bark doesn't have much going for it, the recycling (although effective which makes for a nice ride), makes the track too compact. Why did we reward Wellebelly for a track that has an unfinished feel to it? (like what Maple said) If they featured Bark, damn, I'd feature all the other good Wellebelly tracks like Cent and Blossom which I think are better than Bark as they are much bigger with overall clean detail as well. But ofc we can't do that, we can't give this man who hardly puts any effort into a track EA (this sounds rude btw I apologise). But to sum up, although an overall great track, the detail given isn't spectacular nor is the track canvas big enough to warrant a feature in my eyes. A track much smaller like Temple run by Ishu did it way better for the scale, it's insane the detail for such a small track.

Featuring older tracks and just plain reading suggestions
I love the idea of featuring older tracks if they get suggested (like SLD Dirt Factory 2020 by goofyinc), but I can count too many times when old tracks were suggested for feedback and no feedback has come. Like I know you guys have a life and I appreciate all you do for the trackmaking scene, but it is almost like you're ignoring people. Like, what about your initiative? I could count on my hand the number of people who should have their tracks looked at to be featured. TEAM PHANTOM TEAM PHANTOM TEAM PHANTOM. Hello?!? His detail is very appealing to the eye and the scale of his tracks is crazy at times (rides are hit or miss and lines are too constant or repetivitve but he should be rewarded for a couple more tracks).

General questioning
How did deferred get 1 nay, heaps of positives are going for it, considering all things the track is extremely dope. Updraft by Loge. It got one yay, how did a track like that get any yay?!?!?! My track got 1 yay as well, compare both tracks please, who do you think deserves more yays? I know this is coming from the maker of the track itself and with no feedback to refer to, but how is Updraft on the same plane as ss5?!?!? I almost feel the VIPs have favourites as I would not feature Wahoo or Well by loge either (sorry buddy).

Conclusion
After finishing this rant, I am very salty, very angry and questioning everything the VIPs do. Although part of this has sprouted from my track getting a nay, I think I make some valid points here, and I'm not lying or exaggerating some of them, they are damn true. Please note I don't want tracks being stripped of feats (unless they were traced or something) nor do I want to be like pssst and feature the most basic jumps track ever. But I feel no one has seen the laziness or flaws of this new system. The basic idea behind it is much better than the last system but atm, it isn't being pulled off in the best way possible. Once my feedback for my track FINALLY gets released, I kindly ask for the feedback and voting to be redone with more people and in a thorough way (I don't care if the track gets featured or not, the track isn't anything inspiring) but the whole point of this new system is get highly regarded trackmakers who know what they're talking about to feature tracks whilst also giving feedback to up and coming trackmakers (that is the most important part).

Please, PLEASE read all of this, I think everyone can benefit from it. (Once again, I'm a little salty about my track considering how long ago I started it and the effort put in, but please consider all the points I made, it would mean a lot, I ain't no average FRHD player, I see things, I know what happens, I'm here to help, serve and spread my honest opinions of the game).

Thank you
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Good grief my ex would be jealous by how long this is

AfterImage, Sep 12, 2024

#292

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AfterImage said: ↑

Good grief my ex would be jealous by how long this is
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i read out his entire post in voice chat lol

Cerasium, Sep 12, 2024

#293

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hi guys SKATEYARD GRAVEYARD by Nasrani and Ness

Elibloodthirst said: ↑

Yikes who's giving this dude all this energy drinks

https://www.freeriderhd.com/t/985358-skateyard-gravepark-ft-ness

What y'all thinkin
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loge_0 said: ↑

i love how every recent track nasrani has dropped has felt like it's own thing distinct from its other ones. loving classic ness gameplay fun as always. certainly ranks among plenty featured tracks in my eyes, yes from me
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alexander said: ↑

do we even need to vote lol
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Elibloodthirst said: ↑

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rationalities said: ↑

yes
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YES 7 NAY 0

have another one you cheeky boys

Elibloodthirst, Sep 12, 2024

#294

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Kyurem's Awakening by AfterImage (Innominate)
Final vote: 5 yes, 0 no. Decision, FEATURE. Congratulations to AfterImage, who earns their first feature! Fantastic work, hoping to see more from you in the near future.

Feedback, comments, CC:

Volund said: ↑

i wanna bring this track up again, now it's been a little bit. at the time i felt quite strongly this being overlooked for a feat was a mistake; the detail is super clean, the shading is unique and done well, its one of the better traditional cards entered into the contest, and the ride - whilst it isnt anything super impressive - uses what little space there is really well. as added bonuses, it's some of the best water detail on the site imo, and the kyurem is really well-drawn (even if it doesnt differentiate itself from the bg enough)

what do we think? if no is still the prevailing answer, would like to hear why !

e; as a standalone track, its super cool. as a contest track, even better imo
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Eryp said: ↑

im pretty sure this was published when i was the only person feating tracks and i think i missed on this one. its really nice
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Elibloodthirst said: ↑

maybe it's the blankness in the middle [that prevented it from being featured at the time] but it's a clean style.
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Ness said: ↑

yea

as a pokemon card it succeeds in lots of areas! all the info is interesting to look at, and some parts are integrated into the ride in a cool way too. the track layout is great, looks like it'd fit perfectly on a card and the ride is fun, I appreciate that it doesn't sacrifice ride quality for aesthetics or vice versa.

favorite part has to be the parallel line shading, works super well with the art and detail style, the variety in the line angles and lengths with some cross-hatching is really unique and eye-pleasing. combined with the conventional detail, both really elevate each other and it makes for a pretty beautiful track.
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Elibloodthirst said: ↑

Beautiful art style, really a big fan by crosshatch (as seen in my own work) but this style seems more orderly and square cut than my own.
Relatively effective ride, good mixture of style and uses vehicle.
Only real gripe is the lack of space in the middle but considering it's a desolated icy area I get it.

Yes from me, was slept on.
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very glad this was featured! deserved it at the time and deserves it now. keep it up

Volund, Sep 19, 2024

#295

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babe start awakening (babe is kyurem)

Innominate, Sep 19, 2024

#296

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AfterImage CONGRAT! I am Happy for you

SilentFinger, Sep 19, 2024

#297

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SilentFinger said: ↑

AfterImage CONGRAT! I am Happy for you
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Thank you it means a Lot

Innominate, Sep 19, 2024

#298

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was https://www.freeriderhd.com/t/739482-world-of-w ever put up for consideration?

SirHuman01, Sep 22, 2024

#299

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SirHuman01 said: ↑

was https://www.freeriderhd.com/t/739482-world-of-w ever put up for consideration?
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I saw Tubiek’s message but it’s a combined track with some of DblU and MikeWi’s featured tracks. It is something that Eli does on Elibloodthirst as well. No feat as those tracks are already featured individually.

TPlacella, Sep 23, 2024

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