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Discussion in 'Tracks' started by pssst, Jun 19, 2015.

  1. Asierro

    Asierro Well-Known Member Official Author

    When Cityshep's Vermillion Cliffs was featured, IIRC, Stig asked if the track would be featured were it him that made it, to which (I think it was) Max007x replied that feature mods also assessed who made the track and what are his or her expectations for a track when featuring it. WyattStonhouse was not previously a well-known awesome trackmaker, so I think he clearly exceeded his expectations, since the track is innovative and very good looking, even though it may have some mistakes.
    Just so you take this into account when making a decision.
    Sorry if my wording was weird.
     
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  2. Max007x

    Max007x Forum Moderator Staff Member Administrator Forum Moderator VIP Official Author

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    I personally love the entire background. It is really well done and certainly good enough for a featured track. That, however is the only feature worthy part this track has to me.
    The lenght is way too short, less than 10 seconds if you don't count the auto part. the layout isn't great and the ride isn't really fun or creative to me. Also the track is really inconsistant, with some parts being really heavily detailed and other parts not at all. Char posted 4 screenshots which look really promising but in the end the track is pretty much those screenshots + lightly detailed tunnels connecting it.
    I can really see soo much potential here but this track is just not feature worthy to me. If it were longer and had a more complex layout with all of it being detailed like half this track is it would be a 100% yes from me.
     
  3. Cesar

    Cesar Well-Known Member

    here's a list of the featured track authors and how many featured tracks they have:

    psst:2
    stigandhelmertz:1
    graggen:4
    bigblu3:2
    leboulanger:2
    kazniti:3
    thefunkymonkie:2
    iTzChuckNorris:2
    dropkick:2
    futuremtns:1
    detailed:1
    forlorn333:1
    autoa:1
    ldprider:3
    tsunami:1
    jaketocake:1
    gongo999:4
    wolfram:1
    albatross:1
    south:1
    guitarslasha:1
    graggenandstig:1
    thepenguins:1
    rhino:1
    iamrider:1
    esklate:1
    rhinoandbigblu3:1
    jon312:1
    crypt:1
    eli:3
    stig:5
    cityshep:1
    ness:5
    pinn:1
    easternbiker:1
    alexander:2
    max007x:5
    maple:4
    brainchef:1
    ookami_san:1
    cataclysm:5
    tremulant:1
    wm:1
    armator:2
    nasrani:1
    cky199:1
    foundations:1
    niclauzon:1
    bingbangboom:1
    stigandldprider:1
    anaomet:2
    sleepwalker:1
    odin333:2
    plasticpineapple:3
    jesteranddetailed:1
    phil38654:2
    toxicmahemnmax007x:
    hawnks:2
    moose_man:5
    mooseandlolz666:1
    lolz666andltl:1
    honza47:2
    thecrypt:1
    lolz666:9
    drmanbearpig:2
    artyst:2
     
  4. weem

    weem FREE RIDER LEGEND Elite Author Team Blob Official Author

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    Our decision was already made and it's not changing, thanks for you thoughts though pssst .
     
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  5. Char

    Char Free Rider HD Developer Official Author

    Fair enough. I think your track is good, and I apologize for giving it less credit. I was trying to make a point.

    What it comes down to is a showcase. You guys want this site to be around for a long time? Showcase the tracks that stand out as great. The purpose of featured is to showcase tracks that should be admired, what can be done with hard work, and to inspire new and upcoming artists (or new players). This can't be some elite author super standard that you guys are holding it by, that can only be achieved by being one of you guys (+5 year authors. maple doesn't count) . You guys can't compare tracks to what has been done in the lifetime of free rider. Take into consideration of new players , not veterans. I don't want to see tracks like this fall in to the abyss, just because you guys are holding a standard that is too high.

    Amen

    Fair enough
     
  6. Max007x

    Max007x Forum Moderator Staff Member Administrator Forum Moderator VIP Official Author

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    Yeah I can't help but agree really. I wouldn't mind seeing this featured, but it doesn't meet the standard that we've set. I wouldn't mind lowering it again, but that would mean refeaturing a lot of tracks as well. We want it to be exclusive but we also want to feature cool new tracks which is hard to achieve
     
  7. pssst

    pssst Forum Legend Elite Author Team Blob Official Author

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    Advice to WyattStonhouse:
    ~Make a longer track, with lighter detail.
    ~Don't make the track smooth, consider detail a priority before the track.
    ~Make the track in all the same element, while all the detail here was good, some seem realistic and some was cartoonish. Pick how you want to detail and remain consistent
     
  8. Ness

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    We've done our best to set a reasonable standard. It's perfectly attainable. pssst and MMI did a wonderful job with their track. It's creative, long, challenging, interesting, influential, consistent, and overall just a great piece of work. It's feature worthy.

    Looking at The Dreamt Place, obviously this dude has potential. If he keeps up his great work, he'll become a great trackmaker. But giving him a feature for some original background detail but a short, lackluster track, uninspired foreground detail, and a below average auto isn't going to encourage further progress from him or any other member that sees it, it's going to encourage mediocrity. It's beneath the bar we've set. You don't lower the bar so someone who isn't skilled enough can jump over it. That only makes every other featured track less impressive and special.

    I hate to say it, cause I'm sure he worked hard on it, but the track isn't worth a feature. The reasons have been given plain as day before me. Not long enough, not consistent enough, not skilled enough. I hope he's able to continue on and improve, and if he does I'm sure he'll reach the standard we've set. We can't keep lowering the bar.

    If you're trying to encourage motivation, priding them on their hard work, or giving them inspiration to do better by featuring a track, you're doing it wrong. A feature isn't for that. Helpful comments of constructive criticism and congratulations are the way to do that. Tell them they're on their way up to the top, and give them tips on how to reach that level.

    Wyatt, you've got a good track on your hands. Next time, if you want to have your track featured, if that matters at all, follow these steps: Keep on improving your background detail, you've got something great there. Try to use that style on your ground detail instead of those straight lines, they aren't very nice to look at. Make your track longer. Keep up the creativity, it's very wonderful.

    I think that works a lot better than lowering the featuring standard.

    edit: look at pssst on his advice tip, that's the way to be
     
  9. Mr_Snoogley

    Mr_Snoogley Well-Known Member Official Author

    Char fire them all, put freez in charge
     
  10. weem

    weem FREE RIDER LEGEND Elite Author Team Blob Official Author

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    maybe we should , i mean he did create the almighty WAR 3
     
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  11. Velksy

    Velksy Well-Known Member Official Author

    I figure I might as well throw in my opinion of why I think this track should be considered as compared to Max's features post. Not saying anyone else's opinion is wrong, this is just how I see it; take it however you like.

    Length
    While the most obvious length of a track may be determined by the fastest time of a track, you should also consider instead how long you spent on the track. For me, that was 10 seconds to beat it, 40 seconds following the auto, another while on the half-pipe, and finally the additional time I spent exploring the map and reading all the text Wyatt had left around for me to find.

    Creativity/Originality I think originality/creativity is something which should considered equal value to Detail/Art. To be original in a game that gives you black and white lines can be quite difficult at times, especially when the community expects and prefers a certain style. Admittedly, the feature team has done a great job at increasing their diversity with recent tracks such as "aurora" and "terminal", I just hope we can continue to encourage all kinds of styles.

    Layout Kind of combining with what I said in Length and creativity/originality, although each ride on it's own may not be the best or feature worthy at that, the combination of the three paths added something new which I enjoyed.

    Ride Can't really say much here. As Max said, it's subjective to who is playing.

    Detail/Art He tried something new, it's unique, I love the style, it feels solid and complete. Another subjective category but in this case I don't think he should have points deducted for trying a style of his own rather than relying on a tried and trusted style. This is very much like realism compared to pop-art. Take it for what it is, don't compare the two.

    TLDR; Originality is not something to be taken lightly, it's never a bad thing to encourage new things, let me know why I'm wrong if you think so :thumbsup:
     
  12. pssst

    pssst Forum Legend Elite Author Team Blob Official Author

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    silent voice of reason
     
  13. Cerebral_Parsley

    Cerebral_Parsley Well-Known Member Official Author

    If you guys are going to feature "blue trashcan" by pssst, then Wyatt's track should definitely be featured. No offense but blue trashcan is just another pipe track (which very few riders even bother with) with very simple art. I can't believe it was even considered for featuring. BTW Snowrider by ookami_san was shorter and crummier than Dreamt Place and it was featured.
    WheelieMaker Ness
     
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  14. pssst

    pssst Forum Legend Elite Author Team Blob Official Author

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    just another? who makes pipe tracks other than me?
     
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  16. Elibloodthirst

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    Actually Snowrider wasn't shorter, the main track and the detail was a wayy lot better. I really don't understand why you're taking digs at a track that was featured so many months ago. If you had an actual problem with it you would of raised the problem with that earlier.
    That's worse than Dreamt place what.
     
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  17. pssst

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    It's super graggen-like, I'm sure if graggen reappeared and released the same thing you'd be all over it for being "oldschool" and whatnot. It's a great track tbh.
     
  18. pssst

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  19. Cerebral_Parsley

    Cerebral_Parsley Well-Known Member Official Author

    Elibloodthirst I don't have a problem with Snowrider. Everyone is saying Wyatt's track is too short to be featured, and Snowrider is not much bigger.
    pssst There are lots of them. Not saying its bad in anyway, but not more feature worthy than Dreamt.
     
  20. Char

    Char Free Rider HD Developer Official Author

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