Confessions!

no. i think God made man and woman to be together obviously because a boy parts and a boy parts don't work and neither does vagina and vagina

edit: nice censor Char . i meant siuad

 

So you don't accept it?

bruh since when was it your choice on who others can love?

 

I am actually 4'5"

 

I agree with him that a boy parts and a boy parts don't work together and neither do vaginas, but I'm not against gay people and I think they should be allowed to live their lives however they want. (I don't know how I feel about gay couples adopting children though.)
Transsexuals, on the other hand...

 

Why did it have to come to this...

If you mean from a standpoint of pure reproduction, no, they don't "work"... from any other standpoint, I'd beg to differ? This is a PG-13 forum but there are resources if you aren't sure how that works.

1) I'd like to make the point that sexual orientation has no standing on how fit people are to raise children (obviously).

2) I think it is important for children to grow up with masculine and feminine role models (doesn't always mean man and woman, however - many men have submissive and care-free personalities and many women have independent, hard-headed personalities that are typically associated with the opposite sex). These role models don't have to be biological parents either. So sex and sexual orientation doesn't have much standing in that. If a child is exposed to all kinds of ideas and people, having two parents that are the same sex isn't a big deal. They're not missing out on not having a "daddy" or "mommy".

3) I think it's important to note that having two parents would clearly be better than having none, or even only having one. In a world where not every kid has parents, allowing another group of people to adopt would be a good thing.

4) Arguably, gay couples have to prepare for children for a longer period of time than straight couples, and consider a variety of different obstacles they'll have to face. Let's face it, they're not going to pop one out because somebody didn't want to wear a condom. It's a big commitment and anyone who's adopted knows it takes a while. Why deny kids prepared, eager parents based on sex?

5) I've heard people criticize the quality of a kids life who's being raised by gay parents. Things like social prejudice and bullying typically come up. I find this comparable to people who use the "gays have higher suicide rates" idea to criticize mental health. This isn't something that is a natural result of being raised by two men or women, it's a result of social ignorance and animosity, and the longer gay couples have to face legal restrictions, the longer this is going to prevail.

6) My particular political beliefs are based on the idea that the government shouldn't be able to restrict anyone's rights based on personal issues (like sexual orientation). There's no reason parents deemed fit to adopt children should not be able to adopt children by law.

Transsexuals shouldn't be allowed to live their lives however they want? Admittedly, transsexuals are a bigger issue legally because so many of our basic functions are based on having psychological and biological identities that match. You haven't exactly written your opinion very clearly but I think someone should make it clear that at the very least, they should not be harassed by others

Also, evolution is an important part of history backed by genetic (DNA), fossil, and observational data, there's literally no footing for anyone to deny it. If you could accurately deny that evolution is a thing, you could potentially be world-famous and responsible for a major scientific upset. If you're not positive you can do that, chances are, your questions and concerns about evolution have long been answered and you just need to read up on it more.

Done.

 

i agree with kingaling and e3radn00n - im not homophobic but i do think gay people shouldnt be able to raise children and get married just because I dont understand it.
But im not homophobic - i just feel creeped out by it so therefore they shouldnt be seen as normal people and i justify this by the fact i say its a choice. Because since its a choice, Im not being homophobic, im against their choice
ps I definitely dont feel that gay parents should be allowed to adopt and raise some of the thousands of kids in foster care just because they cant 'normally' make a child
(pps dont even try argue me on that last point becoz i will bite ur **** off)

 

I was talking purely about reproduction.
Some gay couples would definitely raise children better than straight couples, I'm not questioning their ability as potential parents. I simply stated that I wasn't sure how I feel about the idea, not that I'm against it or for it.
My reasoning for being against transsexualism is because as a guy, if I cut off my boy parts, I'm still a guy. But if I pay a surgeon to cut it up and invert it inside my body, I'm supposed to be a woman? No...currently, the medical and technological fields aren't advanced enough to actually change anyones gender yet. I'm not going to pretend that a man who took hormone pills and spent lots of money on surgery is a woman, because he just isn't. I understand he wants to be, but life isn't always fair. I wouldn't harass any transsexual though, because that's their lifestyle choice and they are free to pursue whatever they want.

You should consider reading what I said and not making up things I never said before sarcastically trying to insult me.

 

Fair enough.

I'm not sure how you could be "against" transsexualism. It's just another facet of the human brain. There's nothing to be for or against, it is what it is and that's the way some people are.

Biologically speaking, however, a man who has his "boy parts" removed, and undergoes hormone therapy, is not exactly a man anymore. But sex isn't always man or woman, the waters are muddied especially in the rare cases where men are born with ovaries, women are born with testicles, so on and so forth. XY, XX, X0, XXX, XXY, XXXY? How exactly do we define man and woman? If we define woman as: XX, proper estrogen levels, ovaries, vagina. And man as: XY, proper testosterone levels, testicles, boy parts. We see a lot of factors with clear variations. What about everyone who does not fit all of those biological factors? They are not the majority, but it happens. On top of that, it is not a stretch to believe the human brain will not always match the persons biological features. At the end of the day, you acknowledging someones preferred gender/gender pronouns (using, HE, instead of SHE, for a female to male person, for example) may make you uncomfortable, but it might give that person the strength they need to make it through another day. It's usually a small and insignificant sacrifice for you but a big deal for them.

(Hope this post is okay, if it needs to be more kid-friendly I can edit it)

 

One issue here is that society needs to assign a title to everything. Why do we even define "man" and "woman"? By applying a title and making it all important, you have people wanting to switch their gender rather than not even think about what a gender is. A guy who acts like a girl is perfectly fine with me, a guy who has himself altered to look like a girl just goes too far in my opinion.
I also have no issue with saying their preferred gender, it doesn't make me uncomfortable, but it's really just pretending for me.

 

True. It's hard to be who you are when you're assigned certain behaviors based on sex/gender.

That's good at least, and it may seem like it is pretend for you, but it's not for them. It's obviously not something that's easy to relate to, but imagine waking up one morning and having a female body? Would you not feel out of place? Being expected to wear make-up and dresses when your brain is clearly male? I think that's the easiest way to describe it. It goes beyond stereotypes and into psychology.

 

I'm not confused as to how they live their lives lol, I've done my research and read up on how transsexuals feel in this world. I edited my last post to further explain how I feel about it, as for now though I don't think it's as clear to explain as what you suggest. Yes, while many of them say that they feel as if they are mentally the gender that their body is not, I think it goes beyond that entirely. But the future will only help us understand it more.

 

By no means do I think there's a simple and clear explanation

You don't seem ignorant about it by any means, I'm just trying to get across that regardless, what you describe as "going too far" may just be what is necessary, and therefore, even if it's not understandable, it shouldn't be "not okay" or a bad thing. But yeah, it'll be exciting to see what comes out in the future.

Edit: what time is it there? Are you going to bed or waking up?

 

I just feel that nature made us how it wants us to be, and if we wouldn't associate ourselves with gender titles, then this wouldn't be necessary. I dislike changing one's body though so I guess I'll always have that issue as far as transsexuality goes.

And it's 5 AM here lol, I should get to sleep since I got class tomorrow.

 

That's how I felt about it as well, though I'm sure there's a psychological element here that's probably contributing just as much as the gender titles.

Yeah you probably should.

 

I'll add that I have no issue at all with someone saying their mind isn't the same gender as their body. But ultimately, in my opinion, gender is defined by the body, and I don't just mean the reproductive organs either.

Eh I will when I get around to it lol, I have insomnia so. As long as I manage to get to sleep by 6, I'll be fine since my class doesn't start until 2 and the campus is just down the street.

 

Alright alright, opinions are something I won't try to change.

Yeah I do too haha, I've been trying to get myself on a "proper" schedule for.... 6 months? (to no avail) Though it's just after 2 am here so I might attempt to sleep anyway.

 

Yeah, me too lol. I usually fix my schedule by staying up for a night to fall asleep earlier the next night. I'd probably do that tonight if I was sure I'd manage my class while dead tired. G'night if you can sleep.

 

I didn't eat my toast this morning. 'That felt good to get off my chest'

 

However, Forlorn333 in the US and many other places there is a SEPERATION between Church and State. Therefore, it bothers a vast number of Christians that gays and lesbians are allowed to get married. This is not meant to be anything against you or anyone else I'm just bringing up one point why people feel so strongly against gays.

 

i took a poop and missed the toilet