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https://www.freeriderhd.com/t/582991-tube-adeventure/r/Symantec

 

S y n e t m a t e c

 

https://www.freeriderhd.com/t/611918-super-mario-bros-frhd/r/symantec

 

already featured, i just improved my time. no need to post it here

 

I just tased rotate 3 and got a time two seconds slower than Symantec. I have been thoroughly vanquished.

 

ok lol so i beat bolaside 2 again flawless, on stream.
and i was trying to do tricks and stuff and i somehow did it lol
Cerulean watched

https://www.freeriderhd.com/t/279722-bolaside-ii/r/gonb

 

improved my time on rotaie 3
on stream

 

bro..

 

good afternoon

I would like to begin this post by going forth and admitting that I don't believe this ghost, along with others of yours, are legitimate. Of course they may be legit, but I just don't really see how that'd be possible.

https://www.freeriderhd.com/t/279722-bolaside-ii/r/symantec
To start it off, we will take a look at this track. It landed at the #2 spot on Ceruleans list of hardest tracks, after rotate IV, so it should be nearly impossible. Well it basically is! (was, i guess). TAS completions only, no saved times. And then the first saved time happens to be flawless? If I'm not mistaken, this ghost was the first try on his stream. (I'll touch on the streaming later).
With tubes as small as 40 grid units (60 is standard), the first 1/3 of the track consists of mainly tubes, those of which, doing flawlessly is unbelievable. Let alone the fact that he threw a trick in there. At this point, it already seems like a TAS ghost.
The following obstacles and tubes are self explanatory (nuts), but what really pushed me over the edge was the upwards tube thing at the second last star. Bro just did 90% of the track flawless, which theoretically should be about a 1/10000 chance, even for the best ghosters, and then does the hardest obstacle first try. Take a close look at that part itself. Does it look like somebody spacebarred it? No, let alone somebody who claims to average .10, .13. He then faces another, probably 45 grid unit tube, and does that first try as well. Cool. Well done.

https://www.freeriderhd.com/t/259634-rotate-iii/r/symantec
Here is the ghost that incited me to make this post. Where do I start? The fact that this is the third time he's done this? The fact that he flawlessly trickghosted rotate III? Run that through your mind. Flawlessly trickghosted rotate III. Sounds weird right? Well the ghost itself looks a bit weird as well.
First of all, he brake controlled NONE of the tubes. None of them, at all. For anyone who knows how to tube, this should already be a big red flag. Ya'll know that that takes a significant amount of luck.
The section from 11s to 24s in his ghost is mind-blowing. The fact that he pulled that off, and then went on to do the rest of the track without even one death is stupid, probably because he cheated. Keep in mind that for the rest of the track, he knows he's done that crazy part, and yet still goes for tricks and doesn't brake control. What kind of psychopath? Or cheater...

https://www.freeriderhd.com/t/858585-send-this-to-someone-you-hate/r/symantec
I don't see a world in which this track is beaten without TAS. I went to the eye doctor last month and i had like 20/15 vision so i think i can see fine.
This track was literally designed for TASing only. I don't believe that at anytime while making this, Pie42 had the intention of making this track feasible. It is literally so hard that it has turned TASers away from it, because they got so tired of the track. (Well respected TASers Blank_Guy and Trainer.John couldn't manage to do it).
The fact that he completed this track is (false) unimaginable. He also beat Pie's editor time, and is ahead of his ghost for the first 9 seconds.
You may argue, "well he didn't TAS, look he stalled and almost messed up at around 13 seconds blah blah blah". It'd not be too far fetched for it to just be a diversion, a purposeful mistake to help his case for the ghost being legitimate. I mean, look at the precision of the upward mtb tubes, frame perfect Zs, no mistakes after completing the first 16 seconds? I don't think so.


Now I am fully aware that he has streamed basically everyone of these ghosts, along with many similar ones unmentioned here. Though this is nice evidence, it is not enough at this point. I do believe that symantec cheats, but that doesn't mean it's true of course. I have been surprised at the lack of people actually questioning his legitimacy to be frank. His messages are definitely very innocent and positive contrary to sharkfin in past times of controversy, which I guess subconsciously inclines people to want to believe his innocence. Charisma goes a long way, you know. I would really encourage everyone to take a step back and come to realize the magnitude of his flawless ghosts. Literally 3 months ago there was no way in hell this was possible.

As for cheating, I would really love to see a handcam or something. I am not interested in watching your streams, but I can put my trust in a guy like Rube or Dante who I think watches them sometimes to assure me that you are using a handcam (or something along those lines). You may be wondering how he could possibly cheat while streaming. Remember that isekeb's ghost verifier can only detect duplicate inputs in ghost data, but that can be removed from TAS ghosts, so that is basically obsolete. But the sort of TAS he would have to use wouldn't be what is standard. Instead, my best guess is that he "pre-TASes" a track, doesn't finish the ghost, but saves the input data. He would then (while streaming) have an auto-spacebar program pausing at certain intervals so he can recreate those inputs. Hence the "first try on stream" shenanigans, TAS-like ghosting style.


If the possibility that you are actually pulling off these ghosts is true, I'd really like to say I'm sorry for your hands, brain, well-being, and most of all, you. There is probably something astray in your life leaving a gaping hole that you can only try to fill by spending hours and hours on frhd, starving for approval from people you don't even know. The same would probably go if you were doing this while cheating. Putting all that aside, I believe my point is that you need to put yourself first, and really look inward at what it is you're feeling and come to accept that. From there you can begin to learn and grow, but only when you come to realize where your mental state is. Mental health is more important than you will ever know, and I really do wish you the best, as well as everyone who reads this!

God bless us all! God save the Queen! God save Ukraine!

bye.

 

suggestion for Embers
http://frhd.co/t/64765/r/embers

 

hey um, im not very respected around here so yeah
also im not very good at tassing

 

symantec doesnt use handcam afaik. apparently his parents are apprehensive of stuff like that (interacting with people online in that context). so afaik there is actually no legitimate proof that what he has done is completely legit.
i dont also completelt trust his ghosts. i would need proof from a handcam to be certain as rob has been saying for a while.

 

imo i think the best way for chaos to verify the legitimacy of his ghosts is too catch a bus to symantec's house and watch symantec play the track, breath down his neck, stare him in the eyes and question him.

waterboarding would also work but i dont think this situation is extreme enough to call for that.

 

maybe its time for everyone to retire and go to genshin impact

 

i think i would rather put 2000 hours into trying to beat rotate 4 than playing that s‌‌‌hit weeb game

 

FAKE!!! symentic plays on a LaptOp. Guys he is trying to make us think he's human but i will not'nt be fooled by this ai dummy!!1!1..!Q
share to your friends plese

 

i don't and will never believe in symantec's a.k.a alex-p legitimacy. feel free to prove otherwise

 

Props for going through those ghosts and analyzing them. I was incredibly skeptical of the first few ghosts as you are, but wasn't motivated enough to analyze them like you did (even if it isn't the most in-depth analysis).

I'll admit when I watched him stream I was really conflicted because my brain had already told me those ghosts had to be impossible, but now that I was watching it done live I didn't know what to think and ultimately just accepted that it had to be legit. If I remember correctly, his spacebar could be heard clearly on stream. The fact that both streams I watched ended in a first try flawless ghost made it especially hard to accept. Even then I never fully accepted it because you mentioned something that I have already thought about many times - Pre-TAS'ed ghosts that can played back whenever you want, including on stream. I have to mention Symantec took relatively long pauses to talk on stream while we were being somewhat distracting, but no one says a TAS replay has to be played back with an auto spacebar. Could probably make it play back from pause to pause for every 2 spacebar taps to make it seem legit on stream (which would explain how it could be cheated even though the spacebar could be clearly heard). Is it safe to assume experienced spacebarrers have consistent timings? This would make any discrepancies between the timing of a recorded ghost's spacebars and "lip-synced" spacebar taps nearly impossible to detect (remember were working with only plus or minus a few hundredths of a second).

I have no experience with spacebarring, of course, so I wanted to know if especially long pauses throw off ghosting? I would imagine it normally would throw you off a lot because you quickly forget exactly how fast you were rotating, moving, and in what direction, etc. Is this assumption correct? It certainly screws me over if I linger at a checkpoint too long causing me to have to hit enter one or two extra times to regain that bit of information before being able to continue. Are there any spacebarrers besides symantec who actually prefer longer pauses between spacebars? (correct me if I am wrong Symantec but you do prefer longer pauses than other spacebarrers right? I seem to remember reading a conversation where you were telling someone to try it because it is better or something)

Here are a few more things to leave you with. I put the three ghosts analyzed by Chaos-Fallen through the ghost verifier just to check the average time between inputs because the timings were alluded to, but not actually cited. Here they are:

click here (open) click here (close)

Bolaside II


Rotate III


send this to someone you hate

Um... I'm no spacebarrer, so I need to ask isn't .08 absolutely insane for average time between inputs? Especially sustained over long ghosts like Rotate III? The fact that it is an average implies that many inputs were shorter than those times in order to balance out the longer inputs. If so, that alone is incredibly suspicious. I don't really know my stuff about spacebarring, so maybe .08 is normal for a top spacebarrer. (edit: strikethrough after clarification in later reply)

So... I didn't want to stop at those ghosts, so I picked 2 more recent trial ghosts from Symantec 's ghost history and ran these through the verifier:

click here (open) click here (close)

Dear Alex 2

.07 average (although this is the shortest ghost of the ones I looked at, so .07 average over this time isn't as unbelievable to me). Still sounds crazy though.

Killer Love

Uh... wtf is this. .06??? Since when was that a thing to get more than a lucky few times? Let alone for a minute and a half??? If I'm not mistaken each frame is 2 ticks which makes each input in this entire ghost frame perfect. Now this is entirely unbelievable. Now again, maybe my second-hand knowledge of spacebar timings isn't accurate (I only got the impression from what I've read/heard that a frame-perfect timing is very rare), so can someone qualified please validate (or invalidate) my reactions to these things? (edit: strikethrough after clarification in later reply)

The more I think about how these could be cheated on stream, the more complicated those methods get and the less likely I think he cheated. But then I think back to 2 of them being first try and flawless which is simply unheard of on such difficult tracks. Then the entire frame-perfect ghost is simply impossible considering it's length. The "no hand cam" rule seems dumb, but that's parents for you. Mine would have been the same way at that age and I don't think that is any cause for suspicion (not that anyone said it was, but I feel like mentioning it in case someone thinks so).

I feel the same as dante, chaos, and radiumrc at this point. I was on the fence before looking at the input timings. Maybe someone qualified to talk about the technicalities of spacebarring can help with that part of my post. I'm really not sure what else to say at this point. It all sounds too good to be true.

edit: I want to clarify that when I say "first try flawless" I am referring to the first try of that stream. I do not mean to imply that Symantec achieved these flawless ghosts on his first ever attempt. This however, does not make the stream any less suspicious to me. First try of the stream once was an awesome coincidence to me. Twice in a row? No way.

edit2: I also want to mention that Symantec does have TAS, but only for his TAS account (SymanTas) which makes it clear when a ghost is TAS'ed. To my knowledge, it is not capable of playing back the recorded inputs though. I thought it is important to mention anyway because it would be siginificantly harder to make your own TAS input recorder thing for cheating a livestream if you had to start from scratch. The fact that he already has a TAS program makes it more plausible that a new program for playing back TAS'ed inputs could have been made.

 

It would be so unfortunate if the thread had to he shutdown from a feeling of someone cheating, i sure cannot remember a featured ghosts thread being shutdown because they had a suspicion of someone cheating with no proof!!! So this most definitely the first time this has happened,