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Discussion in 'Races' started by mR..A, Oct 31, 2016.

  1. Mitsera

    Mitsera Well-Known Member Official Author

    symantec
     
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  2. Cerasium

    Cerasium Mod On The FRHD Speedrun.com Page Ghosting Legend Ghost Moderator Team Helicopter Best Ghoster Of 2024 Official Author

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    i have a prediction to make:
    in 2 weeks the tube ghost standard will be flawless Ghosting Collab '16 - '17
    link -> http://frhd.co/t/464513
     
  3. TPlacella

    TPlacella Super Moderator on the FRHD speedrun.com page Team Helicopter Official Author

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    Greatest achievements in FRHD
    1. Symantec takes over FRHD :cry:
    2. Everyone leaves the game as we have lost all hope :oops:
    3. Symantec beats Rotate III in under 5 minutes :eek:
    4. Symantec gets first featured ghost :evil:
    5. Symantec was born :D
     
  4. TheMemeBiker

    TheMemeBiker Well-Known Member Official Author

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    no flawless yet but I got here in 10 minutes
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    e; rip my power ran out so I lost all my progress
     
    Last edited: Feb 17, 2022
  5. RubeGoldberger

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    ngl for something this insane and unbelievable, I would definitely like a hand cam (assuming the ghost was not watched on stream). If you have a smart phone and can do super basic video editing, I feel like it isn't too much to ask considering how insane this is. I know I've joked about going nuts with verification methods, but this time I am serious.
     
    Last edited: Feb 18, 2022
  6. Embers

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  7. DemonGamerx

    DemonGamerx Active Member Official Author

    You guys keep pausing like that? cause if you do I need to do that
     
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  8. Mitsera

    Mitsera Well-Known Member Official Author

    its a pretty common method of ghosting now
     
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  9. TPlacella

    TPlacella Super Moderator on the FRHD speedrun.com page Team Helicopter Official Author

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    Almost every good ghoster does this. It is called spacebarring where you press spacebar multiple times to perfect each part of a ghost so you have extra time to press certain buttons in each tick of a second. Some people aren't good at it, some don't like using it or others prefer (like me) to get really good at playing normally in RTA (real-time attack). In short, non-spacebarring helps improve reflexes and getting good at the game normally, spacebarring helps improve a ghost's quality overall and helps perfect things that real-time can't. If you want to play normally, just play nsb, spacebarring doesn't help you much if you're new to it/already good at playing normally. In other words, it takes time to learn how to play like that. Hope this covers everything if you're interested, many people don't know what ghosting is like nowadays until they see video proof/not into ghosting much.
     
  10. RandomTurtleBoi

    RandomTurtleBoi Well-Known Member Official Author

    not arguing or anything but why does what you just said sound like an infomercial for not spacebarring
     
    Last edited: Feb 18, 2022
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  11. Cerulean

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    what he said is wrong. spacebarring helps almost instantly and you will improve really fast off of the start. even if it isn’t as much as other people you still improve a huge amount. also, spacebarring can be a normal way to play too. i find myself spacebarring on random tracks casually when point grinding. ALSO WTF YOU THINK SPACEBARRING WONT HELP MUCH IF YOU ARE ALREADY GOOD AT NON SPACEBARRING LIKE WTF. i recommend you to have both tried non spacebarring and spacebarring before educating people on the helpfulness of it.
     
  12. Symantec

    Symantec Well-Known Member Official Author

    get on discord later ill try to get as far as i can on stream
    i dont have a phone or anything, but i can turn on mic without noise supression if you want to hear my spacebarring
     
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  13. RubeGoldberger

    RubeGoldberger Well-Known Member Official Author

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    I didn't mean to cast doubt, I know you stream a lot and others definitely watch. I just think it would be a good idea to include a hand cam when going for anything insane like this off stream to remove all doubt. It just so happens that I had been watching a lot of Karl Jobst lately, so the thought of good/trusted players cheating was on my mind lol (and it's not a bad suggestion anyway).
     
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  14. we_are_number_one

    we_are_number_one Well-Known Member Official Author

    I wonder if this guy knows how to ghost properly though
     
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  15. Cerulean

    Cerulean Legendary Cheater Ghosting Legend Official Author

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    can we get an f in the chat
     
    Last edited: Feb 19, 2022
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  16. Fluoride

    Fluoride Well-Known Member Official Author

    ok ok ok. I don't spacebar and in my opinion, non spacebarring can get you so far but not far enough (without practice ig)

    I'm going to connect spacebarring to TAS but not exactly to tas

    My interpretation of spacebarring, in a nutshell, is gaining better reaction time per frame by manipulating the pause feature. Similar to tas, it can help practice (near) frame perfect movement or inputs in order to get a fast and smooth time while being legitimate. Some may call it cheating but it really isn't. That's like calling the clip in SMB 4-2 cheating when it's available to everyone. Spacebarring is available to everyone but it just gives you an edge in terms of doing better inputs on tracks. I rarely do it because I'm lazy (and my computer can only do two inputs at a time). Look; Cerasium tried to teach me but I became lazy. I can learn it but it'll take a lot of time and practice. I did do a little bit on "Lines gonb by gonb (alex)" in order to get the end transition ok (it's literally a blind track). Though I'm still a non-spacebarrer.

    Revolving back to the speedrunning, there still should be 2 major categories of runs. Spacebarring is more optimized for faster times and faster frame perfect runs (Fast IGT) but slower in terms of RTA. Non-spacebarring can be the total opposite with people like we_are_number_one , RubeGoldberger (are some good examples) (Slower IGT, Faster RTA or Fast IGT, Fast RTA).

    Spacebarring is absolutely crucial for tracks that have tubes and stuff (trials) or else you're going to die over and over and over with a terrible time. Tracks like Rotate III (and series) by Backtwice needs spacebarring to complete the track quite flawlessly. A TAS ghost can help with inputs and timing which ultimately can help make a good RTA and beat it.
     
    Last edited: Feb 18, 2022
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  17. Embers

    Embers Active Member Official Author

    bro wrote an essay
     
  18. Symantec

    Symantec Well-Known Member Official Author

    lol yeah alr ill stream on mnm's lounge at around 2:30 my time (it's 12:25 PM rn) if my parents let me get on the computer that can actually stream on discord without completely exploding
    i cant make a handcam thing yet because my parents dont trust me with a cellphone or even a camera :C
    (probably for good reasons lol)
    (but i dont get why i cant buy myself a camera :cry:)
     
  19. Fluoride

    Fluoride Well-Known Member Official Author

    Lol :D
     
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  20. Fluoride

    Fluoride Well-Known Member Official Author

    Lol my parents don't trust me with a cellphone (look at my age tho)
    Me who's at school and the wifi system blocked discord :cry:

    You don't really need a handcam (just use that keyboard thingy on polygon's mod (I think it's called. I never used the mod).
     
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