Argument thread

come to the land down under amirite

 

I'm pretty sure the stat for this year is super disingenuous, like one of the "school shootings" was a dude who shot himself in his vehicle if I remember correctly. And one was I think a gunfight that happened near a school or on the grounds of a school that had been closed for a while.

 

it was a typo

 

Gandalf is better than dumbledore.

 

yeah but you do LSD, Shrooms and flowers, all drugs that can affect you mentally in long term cases. in-fact LSD will stay in your system for more than 7 years.

"you can have Recurrent hallucinations even after you’ve stopped taking the drug."

Even after quitting LSD, the drug-induced psychosis that may continue to persist can include:

• Radically disorganized thought patterns.
  
  • Distortions of perceived reality.
    
    • Dramatic mood swings.

Inversely check https://luxury.rehabs.com/psychedelics-abuse/long-term-effects-lsd/#brain for more info and help with your ever growing understanding that psycs can have an impact on your body/brain long term

edit: W33D auto corrects to "flowers" thanks FRHD 4 keepin it PG

 

SUP

 

this chart shows the damage substances cause to both users and society around them. relative to alcohol, a legal substance that is promoted by the "government", most psychedelics are at the bottom. these substances are classified as "Class A" and highly illegal. psychosis is a very rare side effect, which comes from overuse. if used in moderation, with the exception of either meth of heroin, every single substance on this list is relatively harmless. your limited knowledge of what the government feeds you is probably more harmful.

im not promoting these substances, but im not denouncing them either. what you do is your own choice. bashing people for using psychedelics and then ignoring alcohol use, which is the most harmful substance, is showing how little you know about things.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCn8V3KNSgDr1Dai77_y8JrQ
this mans channel is excellent, i highly recommend his videos. gun watch some of them before you unintelligently reply again.

 

That graphic above looks like druggie propaganda. First off, what do they define "harm" as? It's too vague. A useful graph might say, "vehicle accidents related to certain substances" or, "overdoses related to certain substances". Just saying "harm" without defining is useless. Secondly, alcohol is only the most harmful substance because it's the most common. Most everyone over the age of 15 does it at least occasionally. The only real way to compare alcohol to drugs would be to immorally take two similar & healthy people who haven't done either & get one person hammered and the other person high on some psychedelic or hard drug. Then test them to see how their bodies reacted & what the damage was, and how likely they are to use again. Since I don't believe that was ever done, comparing the two and saying alcohol is worse is like saying the flu is a worse disease than Ebola to catch because the flu kills more, or that the mosquito is related to more human deaths than the rhino ergo you should be more scared of mosquito encounters.

tl;dr "more people die drunk so let's do heroin maaannnn!"

 

how would you know

 

yue how is tobacco a drug

 

https://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/11/drugs_cause_most_harm
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(10)61462-6/abstract
- are you saying you are an expert on how to test drugs - 'looks like' and 'druggie propaganda' show me you are still relying off bias stereotypes, corrupting your points.

your points are not entirely correct. there has been no recorded death due to shrooms, acid or bud, yet alcohol has killed plenty. i can compare alcohol to other substances because the fact that it is readily available and socially accepted are part of the issue surrounding it. read the actual study, conducted by actual experts.

tl;dr another bias opinion by another sheep

 

on the radio i heard that in austrlia 1 aussie dies every 90 minutes.. thats 6000 a YEAR

 

You didn't even read my post, did you? You literally just recited your original point that essentially states, "these rare drugs haven't hurt anyone yet this one that almost everyone has done has resulted in lots of harm!" Don't you see how that logic is flawed? Until you address this from my last post that I will paste here again, you are not worth responding to:

"comparing the two and saying alcohol is worse is like saying the flu is a worse disease than Ebola to catch because the flu kills more, or that the mosquito is related to more human deaths than the rhino ergo you should be more scared of mosquito encounters."

 

yes i read it. out of context you are probably correct. i am not scared of mosquitos. if i was in africa i would be much more scared of mosquitos because that is where they have malaria that kills millions of people. again with diseases ebola is much worse, however if you had aids, the flu would be just as scary. read the study conducted by experts who have considered all this. there is no flaw in the logic, you cannot draw comparisons to the two as they are completely different. your logic is flawed as you ignore hundreds of factors. this is what the government has drilled into you, and you are just repeating yourself. did YOU read my post, cause apparently not.

 

I am correct in context. I read the study and I admit I was wrong about the graph's use of the word, "harm" but I'm not wrong with my comparisons. The reasoning you take from the graph is tantamount to the wage gap argument, that generalizes without taking into account the reasoning for it's existence and attributes it to an already preexisting false premise. The reason I compare it to the wage gap is because my simple comparisons didn't seem to stick to you, or perhaps you found them absurd. But let me go more into depth. Your graph compiles data on harms that all drugs are attributed to one way or another. And of course, alcohol ranks #1, ergo the conclusion you draw is that alcohol is the worst substance to abuse, or the most harmful. This is evidenced by your quote; "there has been no recorded death due to shrooms, acid or bud, yet alcohol has killed plenty". This logic is patently false, and I'll continue as to why. It isn't wrong that many people die as a result of alcohol abuse, but it is wrong to say that because of this statistic, it is worse for general use. I'll use statistics from a familiar country to me, given the fact that the data is more readily available. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3917651/ Here is one of the only stats I could find on psychedelic users by number in USA. The number is approx 32 million. Let's compare that to alcohol users. https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/overview-alcohol-consumption/alcohol-facts-and-statistics According to this statistic, 86.4% of adults in USA admitted to drinking alcohol at some point in their life, but let's for the sake of argument go for simply the past year. In the past year, according to this source, just over 70% of adults in USA have admitted to using alcohol. That's roughly (assuming the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_States source is correct on the adult population of America) about 171,780,000 people in USA alone. So from this we can gather that the number of psychedelic users is less than 20% of the alcohol users. We would expect to see a greater level of harm from alcohol given the fact that it's significantly more prevalent regarding use within the general populous. In my opinion, some of the drugs on that list, if used as much as alcohol, would result in similar statistics regarding harms to oneself and others, maybe worse, maybe less severe but similar regardless, and if they become legalized and as readily available, perhaps one day I will either be proven wrong or right. Not only that but alcohol is simply objectively not as bad for your health as some of these substances, namely heroin, cocaine, and meth. I don't know to what extent psychedelics are a detriment to one's health so I'm not going to argue alcohol vs psychedelics in that regard, but if you wish to argue heroin vs alcohol casual use, I'd be happy to.

"i am not scared of mosquitos. if i was in africa i would be much more scared of mosquitos because that is where they have malaria that kills millions of people."
"again with diseases ebola is much worse, however if you had aids, the flu would be just as scary"
*sigh* Twice you have dodged the criticisms I posed by giving an example of a situation where given certain unfortunate circumstances, you're right, even though in general you are not.

 

Alcohol is only up there at the top because it is so available to all users above the age of 21. alcohol is not illegal for those people therefor it will get abused. I assure you if meth/heroin/crack was legal the numbers would far higher than alcohol

 

This is exactally what i mean, alcohol is just way more available because its not illegal, "comparing the two and saying alcohol is worse is like saying the flu is a worse disease than Ebola to catch because the flu kills more"

 

Because I have watched people at my school ruin there life because of these "harmless drugs" they would literally rob you

 

acid or mushrooms don't poison people and kill them, they cause people do do dangerous acts that end up killing them(walking out in front of traffic, jumping off building to fly) thats why the deaths are never directly connected to the drug

 

nice argument, nice research. my point is not too pit substances against each other, but to raise awareness concerning them. the stereotypes surrounding psychedelics are harmful, and attain very negative media attention. psychedelics can have both good and bad effects, mainly good providing you or your family have no mental conditions. coke, meth and heroin are all substances i would class as, or much more damaging than alcohol, and the graph above does show that. no, im more concerned about views on substances in general. the word drug, imo, has a very negative reception surrounding it. most people, and im generalising, think drugs = bad. alcohol, too most people, again generalising, dont even associate alcohol with being a drug. as seen with bud, again has a very negative reception, is scientifically proven to be much less dangerous for you.,and yet its still not legal. in 2017, 52% of america over 18 has tried bud at least once. yet the amount of deaths relative to alcohol is infinitesimally small.

overall just sayin, if u hate ppl for doing drugs, kys

gun nigha, did you even watch one of the videos i said. those cases you said with shrooms and cid are extremely rare, they hardly ever happen.