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Featured Track Team is Biased

Discussion in 'Anything and everything Free Rider' started by Mr_Snoogley, May 29, 2015.

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FOIL said: ↑

You don't understand what a good track is do you?
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I think we all know what a good track is.
A good track is one that is well detailed (or made by ness/graggen), hard to beat, and most importantly, not made by iTz ChuckNorris.

iTzChuckNorris, Jul 20, 2015

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iTzChuckNorris said: ↑

I think we all know what a good track is.
A good track is one that is well detailed (or made by ness/graggen), hard to beat, and most importantly, not made by iTz ChuckNorris.
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Lol

pssst, Jul 20, 2015

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iTzChuckNorris said: ↑

I think we all know what a good track is.
A good track is one that is well detailed (or made by ness/graggen), hard to beat, and most importantly, not made by iTz ChuckNorris.
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lol no
u have 2 featured tracks

Cynic, Jul 20, 2015

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Armain said: ↑

lol no
u have 2 featured tracks
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That doesn't mean they are good. Just look at your featured tracks XD

iTzChuckNorris, Jul 20, 2015

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iTzChuckNorris said: ↑

That doesn't mean they are good. Just look at your featured tracks XD
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uhh......i just started this game..

Cynic, Jul 20, 2015

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uhh......i just started this game..
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hahaha im sorry im sorry i mix you up with alexander a lot. what i meant to say was look at his

iTzChuckNorris, Jul 20, 2015

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iTzChuckNorris said: ↑

You really have no room to talk.

Anyways, I thought I should offer my opinion of this thread.
Yes, the feature team is a little biased. However, there really aren't many others who are better suited for the job. I know I said "the feature team is horrible" and I meant that to an extent. There is really no easy way to fix the problem though (unless we double or triple the size of the feature team, which is probably a bad idea). Featured tracks are completely based on opinion and not rating. If this team isn't featuring tracks, some other team will be, and as a result, some people will probably disagree with some of their decisions. Now, I don't feel like searching around the database for tracks that I feel should be featured (that is not my job), but I will make a quick point using the tracks I know. (mine)

If tracks like this are featured:
blue-trashcan
wild-one-express
contest-entry
wooden-bucket
caesium
plasticorp
alice
(yes mostly Ness, but that's his style. I don't have anything against these tracks... other than how f****** impossible they are)

Then I strongly believe that Snowy Slopes 10 should be featured. I'm not saying that those tracks don't deserve to be featured, but if they are, then the feature mods have overlooked a few 'feature worthy' tracks. Looking at them, I can tell that they took an immense amount of time to create and I think the authors should receive some recognition for their work. However, I also think some of the feature mods fail to realize just how difficult a track like SS10 is to make. I mean, I probably spent more time on it than almost any other track I've made. Again, I'm sure there are others.

If tracks like this are featured:
seventh-sea
ithaka
country-cycling
cliffside-trail
crysis
backyard
catch-ya-plane
asteroid-escape

Then why isn't Twisting Nether featured? Maybe I'm just missing something, but I don't see how they are any better. Different? Yes, but quality wise, I'm not seeing it.

Finally, if mountain-ride and cityscape are featured, then how is cityscape-2 not? The only reason I'm giving these examples is to show how the feature team is either biased, or just missing some tracks.

As another example, tracks like Twisting Nether 2 should not be featured. Yes I spent a very, very long time on it, but the mountain doesn't even look like a mountain and the water is horrible. With some slight changes, I think it could be a feature worthy track, but that's besides the point.

My point is: if it is clear that an author has spent an exceptional amount of time on a track, whether it is the track, artwork, or whatever, and the final product is clean, working, playable, and looks good, then it deserves a feature. Difficulty to beat the track should have NOTHING to do with it being feature worthy. In fact, Snowy Slopes 10 was incredibly difficult to make easy to play. No, this is not just a plea to feature my Snowy Slopes 10 and Twisting Nether tracks. To be honest I care very little about features, and I'm probably a little biased myself. It wouldn't benefit me and the whole point of featuring is to get more people to play tracks that deserve it. Not to get cocky, but I really don't need that. It would be nice to be shown recognition for my work, but in reality, getting a featured track only means that a few people approve of it, and I honestly don't care about their opinions of me. The only problem is that their opinions affect the home page of FRHD.
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ANYWAYS, just wondering why most people flat ignored this post?
*cough* feature mods
eh, maybe reading is just hard.

iTzChuckNorris, Jul 20, 2015

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iTzChuckNorris said: ↑

ANYWAYS, just wondering why most people flat ignored this post?
*cough* feature mods
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This is knowledge, theyre clueless.

pssst, Jul 20, 2015

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When Chuck releases a well-detailed track, I'll have some respect for him. Not sure when that'll happen

alexander, Jul 20, 2015

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You have absolutely no clue how long I spent on SS10. Literally no f***** idea. It's incredibly difficult to make it work consistently with such close quarters ramps and rused tracks where it allows user input. It has only 2 faults that i know of and they occur less than 5% of the time. the an
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This is a rivalry that's been present since the days of Canvas Rider (as FR2DB) and TrackMill. There's a certain style of track that's popular on both sites. There's a vivid difference too. Not all of the members subscribe to this kind of track, but it's a surprisingly popular split.

ITZ makes a certain type of track, the TrackMill track. It's smooth. It's easy. It has big jumps. It uses the mountain bike. Lots of boosts.

Canvas Rider had a different type of track. Here and here are two tracks of mine that show the type. It flows. It has a mix of smaller, precise jumps and larger jumps. It uses the BMX primarily, but can use the mountain bike too.

To each their own, right? But there's a reason we don't feature tracks like that solely based on the track itself. If it had great detail, it'd be another story. But a stereotypical TrackMill track is made that way for a reason.

Smooth is easy. You can make a smooth track using the curve tool nowadays. Back then, there weren't curve tools, but it was still fairly easy to make a smooth track. Flow is the concept of uninterrupted motion, where everything gradually moves smoothly and precisely. It takes skill to make a track flow. It doesn't take skill to make a track smooth.

Easy tracks are fun to look at sometimes, but they aren't fun to play. You're holding up, letting the track take the bike choose your path and speed. We feature mods don't make simply easy tracks because we've grown to appreciate the ability to actually play a track. We make our tracks more challenging and involved. This is part of the reason why ITZ gets a lot of likes. He makes easy tracks that require minimum effort to play, so the masses of new members looking for an easy track will give the track a like. People enjoy it, but there's not a whole lot of talent required to make it, therefore we don't feature it. Let's take another look at how easy it is to make a track like this.

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Those big jumps? The bigger the jump, the easier it is to make smooth. Like if you know Earth, it's so big that it looks perfectly smooth from a far distance, but looking at it up close, there are tons of bumps, hills, even mountains that would make you say there's plenty of imperfections. I used grid in the example above. The ramps gradually become smoother as they become bigger.

Mountain bike? The tire has a loose suspension that glosses over bumps easily. The BMX is a lot more susceptible to these little small bumps and rough track. You don't have to be perfect when you use MTB. Try riding the ramp with BMX and then switch to MTB. Even smoother, right? Wow!

Boosts? Using boosts to hold a rider down to the track or to slow down the rider is bad form. Why restrict the rider at all? It only shows the lack of effort in developing a track that can be actually played instead of just having a hold-up with no tricks. The challenge-free way to add speed to the track doesn't add anything special to the track other than instability (only to be stabilized by more boosts) and attracting new members that love the thrill of uncontrollable speed.

It's easy to make these tracks. Feel free to enjoy them. But they are not particularly special. They are simple, formulaic, uninteresting to anyone who has played the track for a long enough time, and in general, just bad tracks. No hate to ITZ, he makes tracks for the newer members, a lot of people enjoy what he does. But they aren't worth a feature.
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Talking specifically about ss10, I would argue that I spent longer on it than you have on any of your tracks. Allowing player input in a "smooth" track with such precise landings as ss10 is nearly impossible. There is no other track on the database like it. Nothing comes close. I'm not trying to brag I'm trying to get you to open your damn eyes. Take a closer look at it, FFS. It's like you people think I spent like 5 hours on it. I spent over 100 hours on it.
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iTzChuckNorris, Jul 21, 2015

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iTzChuckNorris said: ↑

Talking specifically about ss10, I would argue that I spent longer on it than you have on any of your tracks. Allowing player input in a "smooth" track with such precise landings as ss10 is nearly impossible. There is no other track on the database like it. Nothing comes close. I'm not trying to brag I'm trying to get you to open your damn eyes. Take a closer look at it, FFS. It's like you people think I spent like 5 hours on it. I spent over 100 hours on it.
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my eyes are wide open, and your tracks still look like ****

alexander, Jul 21, 2015

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my eyes are wide open, and your tracks still look like ****
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I don't think I said anything about how it looks? At least I'm not trying and failing at realistic detail

iTzChuckNorris, Jul 21, 2015

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How many hours did you spend on it?

Cynic, Jul 21, 2015

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iTzChuckNorris said: ↑

I don't think I said anything about how it looks? At least I'm not trying and failing at realistic detail
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at least my detail looks more realistic than this...

alexander, Jul 21, 2015

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iTzChuckNorris said: ↑

ANYWAYS, just wondering why most people flat ignored this post?
*cough* feature mods
eh, maybe reading is just hard.
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Excuse me but I have a life to live and I'm not always by a computer system. Sure I'll regurgitate the same as I have before and I have read your post through but unfortunately I have been out of country and living with my girlfriend so I cannot just go out of my way to reply to your every whim.

Oh and I'm not going to be posting to argue either because frankly a lot of this is just down to opinion and a lot that has been said is just going to be re-said on both ends. Not everyone is going to be happy with decisions made, alas I will make a proper post.

Be a little patient please, I'm not ignoring you.

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I don't feature garbage. I don't care how long you spent working on the garbage, how hard it was for your garbage brain to work on the garbage, or how many garbage people like the garbage. I opened my eyes a bit more to see it, zoomed in on it, even played in it for quite a while, but it was still garbage.

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I think i know why ss10 IS NOT featured. Its spammed with powerups. And also, you use boosts to stick the rider to the ground.

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boosts are cool too, but never ever ever ever ever ever ever use them to restrict a rider. you know those trackmill boosts that pin you to the ground like you're four years old and can't slow down for yourself? those are idiotic. people can stop by themselves, they have a brake on their bike.
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Cynic, Jul 21, 2015

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@icn
I think i know why ss10 IS NOT featured. Its spammed with powerups. And also, you use boosts to stick the rider to the ground.
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who...cares?

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I don't feature garbage. I don't care how long you spent working on the garbage, how hard it was for your garbage brain to work on the garbage, or how many garbage people like the garbage. I opened my eyes a bit more to see it, zoomed in on it, even played in it for quite a while, but it was still garbage.
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So why are your tracks featured again? Anyone with a **** load of extra time can make your tracks. There is nothing special about them. No great art. No great ride. I just don't get it. At least mine was difficult to make.

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iTzChuckNorris said: ↑

who...cares?
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Have you EVER read max's featured tracks information thread?

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Hey guys, here it is !
Ride
One of the most subjective parts of a track. There isn’t really a right or wrong here. Generally you should try to avoid making your track frustrating. If a track is hard but feels fair, then that’s alright, but stuff like spammy boosts and gravities or generally a really bumpy track can make a track feel frustrating. The more controll the rider has the better usually. Besides that a track can be smooth, a trial or whatever. If it is fun to play it’s fun to play, but a lot of times that’s really subjective. For me the perfect example of a fun to play track is Future Roots.
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iTzChuckNorris said: ↑

So why are your tracks featured again? Anyone with a **** load of extra time can make your tracks. There is nothing special about them. No great art. No great ride. I just don't get it. At least mine are difficult to make.
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His tracks are creative and original af
Also his tracks are long. Take the plasticorp series for example. They are featured just not because it has great detail and creativeness, but because of its length.
Also, his detail is exceptional, or at least, better than yours.
And as codrey said, when I finish one of ness's track or pssst's track, I feel excited because i can complete a hard track like that, but when i play your tracks and finish them, i simply click the next button.

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