Biden thread

Eryp NotSoSure Cynic All of you missed his point entirely. In case you still don't see it, maybe read starting from where they wrote "my point is". Quit focusing so much on hating the president. Also I think you forgot to paste you source, Cynic:

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(nothing to do with CHARREDLIZARD's point)
If you want proof that this virus is blown out of proportion look no further: https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid

US is on par with the rest of the world (there is a graph labeled "world" representing the world average)
Also there is a graph somewhere on that site that shows mortality risk by age. Takes some clicking around to find (if I remember correctly), so I'll just put it here:

Keep in mind these are countries with arguably worse quality health care than the US, so our numbers theoretically should the same if not better. Not to mention this data is from the beginning when we had a worse understanding of the virus and no real sure way to treat it. This is the worst case scenario, imagine that.

 

why is there an attatched file on my post? I didn't attach anything lmao

 

how yk i missed the point

 

Alright then RubeGoldberger , lets take a look at this blokes point then.
"Trump isn't responsible for all of it"
It is disingenuous to say that Trump isn't responsible for all of the US' Covid cases. He is the president, who has lead the US and its attitude towards the coronavirus. Here is a list of what Trump has done when faced with threat of a pandemic:
> Jan 22: downplayed the possibility of COVID-19 becoming a pandemic, against the advise of the WHO: "we totally have it under control. It’s just one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.”
> Jan 29: WHO head of Health Emergencies program stated that "the whole world needs to be on alert now. The whole world needs to take action and be ready for any cases that come from the epicenter." Trump, the next day on the 30th at a rally in Iowa, stated that: “We only have five people. Hopefully, everything’s going to be great. They have somewhat of a problem, but hopefully, it’s all going to be great”
> February: rising global cases, and WHO raising the possibility of a pandemic from "high" to "very high". Trump's response? Downplay its impact on Twitter and in interviews, with quotes such as “When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”
> April: received warning from the CIA's President Daily Brief that "the effects of the COVID-19 pandemic could be cataclysmic in the United States." Most shocking, is that these warnings began back in November of 2019, when Wuhan first began reporting cases. He missed the CIA's brief, because: " he routinely skips reading the President's Daily Brief and shows little patience for having the briefs read to him orally even twice per week." He missed more warning's of the COVID pandemic as well, from people including his economic advisor Peter Navarro, and the US Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar

And that's only the tip of the iceberg for those four months, let alone the last 11 months. If you can, read the whole article that I cited these facts from. It is incredibly alarming as to the incompetence of Donald Trump, and his vast responsibility in how he handled the COVID-19 pandemic. He is absolutely responsible for all of it, for had he listened to ANY of the experts at his disposal, the US would be in a far better position than it is today. All quotes sourced from peer-reviewed academic journal "Trump, COVID-19, and the War on Expertise" written by Dr Paul Rutledge of the University of West Georgia. His conclusion on Trump's handling of the virus?

"Donald Trump’s continued aversion to council and expertise has had tremendous impact on the federal government’s response to COVID-19. The cost, unfortunately, is measured in a loss of American lives that over a 2-month period has surpassed the number of deaths resulting from nearly two decades of war in Vietnam."

Source: Rutledge, P. E., 2020. Trump, COVID-19, and the War on Expertise. The American Review of Public Administration, 50(6-7), pp. 505-511.

 

You are lying to yourself if you think the leader of any country is at fault for all of their country's deaths except maybe an autocracy. CHARREDLIZARD was honest by saying Trump is responsible for some, but not all of the deaths whether they agree with Trump's policy or not. By your logic Obama is at fault for the 12,000 or so who died from H1N1. He certainly did nothing to help us. I was in elemtary school at the time and had several friends hospitalized yet schools were not closed. That's ok though, it's not like the swine flu was especially deadly to kids or anything. Just to clarify, I don't think all the deaths were Obamas fault, that would be stupid. Just because I am republican doesn't mean I blame people's deaths on a president of the opposite political party.

You can only cite a single source that directly states its bias in the title. How can anyone expect to objectively explore the job performance of an individual when they already claim it was bad before getting into the text itself? Yes, Trump made several mistakes throughout this pandemic. Yes, some of the cases could have been prevented. And yes, all presidents bear some responsibility to their country. Presidents are not autocrats, they do not hold all responsibility.

I'l probably take some time to read it here and there, but don't expect an essay response,
I'm not about to start another argument about the Covid situation. I already spent literal hours talking about it with BlakeAlex, so if you want to read our thoughts you can starting here:

Make sure to read both of our posts otherwise you'll be missing half the argument.

 

Yeah sorry, I shouldn't assume that of you just because you agreed with Eryp. It was Eryp and Cynic who came in hot and totally missed the point of CHARREDLIZARD's short post. Not to mention built their responses off of massive assumptions about the context behind each sentence of CHARREDLIZARD's post.

 

more like BoobGolderberger lol

 

I sure am proud of my 'assets'

 

> "You can only cite a single source" you cited only one source in your previous post, lol. Im not going to write an "essay response" as you put it, with multiple peer-reviewed academic journals
> "Bias in the title" you have no idea what youre talking about, the source i cited is PEER-REVIEWED; there is no bias, else the piece would not be published. Here's a link which explains the process of peer-reviewd articles, since you clearly dont know what they are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review and in case you get on your high horse about wikipedia, another link explaining peer-review: https://guides.lib.jjay.cuny.edu/c.php?g=288333&p=1922599
> Also there is no bias in the title of my source, lol. Nice try man. "Trump, COVID-19 and the War on Expertise" has no bias one way or another. A biased title would be "Trumps abysmal failure to protect the US against COVID-19"
> This piece argues only in objectivity. It comes from a DOCTOR whose PhD came from the study of presidents and policy. The piece sets a thesis, gathers evidence (in this case, 52 different references) and then comes to a conclusion based upon findings
> "How can anyone expect to objectively explore the job performance of an individual when they already claim it's bad" If you even read the article, youd find the researcher did not go into this with the claim that Trump's leadership is bad. Quote from the introduction: "This article will examine the leadership of Donald Trump throughout the COVID-19 pandemic. Specifically, the focus will be on Donald Trump’s relationship with advisors and the extent to which he is using their shared expertise both for informing the public and in crafting policy responses to COVID-19."
> I like how you defend Charredlizard's point with 0 evidence cited, but attack me for "only" having one source - which is the highest quality source in this thread
> I hope you learnt something, your own bias is so obviously clouding your judgement

 

goddamn ilove Zycerak

 

i got adhd and the pillies be wearing out at night time, I didn't read wth erps said I just commented to say I told u so..
fuckanyone who uses what I just said to attack me

 

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since everyone but CHARREDLIZARD21 BlakeAlex are asleep, I've edited this post and non of u ever knew until now hehe

 

ill check again tmr when im not in drunk person mode to see what u all say

 

ohfuck he wokeup

 

Whew

 

"single source that directly states its bias in the title" Don't take my words out of context. I don't care how many sources you use as long as they are credible enough. The title clearly states that Trump started a war on expertise. If you cared to understand my perspective you would have thought about it for more than 2 seconds. I see how I am reading between the lines a bit and how it is not a directly biased title. Give my complaint how much weight you want, but don't take my words out of context. I also said I would read it, relax. I didn't say I was disregarding any of it, so no my judgement is not "clouded" as you put it.

Yes, I know Wikipedia can be a credible source. Not by itself, but through the sources at the bottom of each wiki page. "in case you get on your high horse about wikipedia" - can confirm that's not gonna happen

lmao, condescend me after saying "in case I get on [a] high horse". Low blow, man.

I shouldn't have gone off on the credibility of your source, I think I overreacted. I'll admit that.

CHARREDLIZARD's point was that not all the deaths/cases are Trumps fault. Only some are. You really want me to start citing the constitution to explain to you how the US government has something called branches of government and separation of powers? One where each branch has responsibilities within the federal government? One where each state has not only their own state governments, but many local governments as well? You can't seriously believe that 1 single individual can be at fault for 1 entire countries covid cases and/or deaths. In that case, every single leader of all the other countries are directly at fault for all of the deaths in their country too. To say otherwise would literally make you a hypocrite.

You want my source? Look at the constitution, specifically where all the parts of the government and their roles are explained. The general form of government where 1 individual has complete power over a nation is an autocracy, like I already said.

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You really got bent out of shape over what I said about your source. All that aside, it seems you forgot to adress the other 80% of my post.

 

CHARREDLIZARD21 Are you just monitering this thread 24/7?

 

Last time I checked this threat we were in the 40’s. When the hell did we get to 60 pages lmaooo