Biden thread

Thank god. I never wanted you to begin with. Move along now.

 

pssst did you watch the Borat sequel?

 

No

 

Borat is the greatest

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-makes-grand-entrance-at-iowa-campaign-rally here is some fake news?
I don't really know I'm repeating what big daddy trump said once



here's evil biden kids hailing hitler, go them!

there's biden selling drugs! oh my god he is the devil!

here's biden raping a women, booo! he's oh so cray cray

there's someone biden raped! booo! he is so evil!

here's his son who biden gave drugs to, he's dead and biden is happy now, MAGA 202O TRUMP!!! LETS BURN CROSSES AND KILL BLACK PEOPLE AND SHOUT WHITE POWER ON OUR LITTLE GOLF CARTS
here's god roasting biden, he's so cool! i hope my kids grow up to be like him!!

here's trump with the bros!

 

lol that was july, we've gotten so from there!!

 

I just watched the original, loved it, can't wait to see the prequel!

 

the last one should be here's trump hanging out with homies

 

Wow liberals are embarrassing

 

imagine risking people's lives to hold a rally. And for what? a couple votes..

 

Wow, I guess the left news just completely ignored the fact that the Trump administration enacted travel restrictions on China before there were any US covid deaths then shut down travel to and from China almost completely soon after the first known Covid death... and Biden + media called him xenophobic for doing so. (although Biden did take it back later, admitting Trump did the right thing, albeit way too late)

I mean, that's kinda the most direct way of preventing spread. A litteral ocean of distance between us and the source. Trump also explained that he did not want to cause a panic hence the bedside manner at the beginning of all this. Doctor Fauci said the same thing about his own comments that minimized the whole issue early on. Actions speak louder than words. Trump tried to prevent panic by minimizing the threat, but took action against the virus. Biden+media can only ever criticize what Trump said, but ignore the action he took. Lmao, after Biden took back what he said about the China travel ban, the media and Biden's campaign started saying the travel ban wasn't soon enough! Even medical experts including Dr. Fauci were saying at the beginning a travel ban would be an overreaction.

Was anyone coerced into attending the rally? No? Then he did not risk anyone's lives. They risked their own. People have free will, you know.

Only one's who didn't really have a choice were the secret service agents when they drove Trump through (I forget where) to wave to supporters. Except, while the media keeps spreading outrage over Trump "risking the lives" of the secret service agents, an ex-agent was interviewed and wouldn't give the specifics of how they are protected, but let it slip that they don't even breath the same air as the president and are at little to no risk at all.

 

i know right!!

 

ok, so a couple of things to address about this. We all know that the travel ban happened too late. Im not saying that trump did a bad job based on his knowledge of anything, (because there was precious little info about this virus to begin with), however the fact remains that it happened too late. In fact, almost every country did not take appropriate action to stop the virus spreading into their country. Despite stopping travel and such. by the time travel was banned, it was too late for any more people coming from china with coronavirus to affect the true amount of cases by many days

What is crucially important is what you do once you have the virus inside your borders. You can either impose tight restrictions to try and stop the spread, impose minimal restrictions to not eliminate the virus but prevent hospitals from getting overloaded (aka flatten the curve until the vaccine could come out), or impose no restrictions whatsoever, and pay the toll of 2%+ of people dead. Now for some examples:

New Zealand is a good example because in its early stages New Zealand was really getting out of control. The number of cases was rising by about 60% per day, if I remember correctly. However, they immediately placed tight restrictions on every part of the country, effectively stalling their economy for a few weeks. The result of this was a mere 25 deaths and less than 2000 cases in total. They were able to ease restrictions off a few months later, and now are back to a healthy, working lifestyle who now, pay almost no consequences from covid. A lot of countries, like Australia, South Korea, Japan etc. The result is a curve like this.

However, some countries did not impose tight restrictions until much later, let alone at all. India, Brazil, Sweden, Italy, Spain either did not impose tight restrictions in time to prevent a massive amount of people from catching coronavirus, or did not impose adequate restrictions to prevent people from catching it. The USA only started to lock down during march, (and those restrictions weren't that much anyway) more than one month after the first few coronavirus cases were recorded. This is especially significant because what most people don't realise is that there were almost no tests in that crucial period of time between first case and lockdown. This means that the virus basically spread uncontended around the country. No tests to identify the threat, no lockdown to try and minimise the threat.

Why is it, that a majority of countries that got coronavirus at the same time as the US, had the same number of cases, had the same warnings that everyone had, do so much better in controlling the spread of the virus than the US did? Why can Australia and New Zealand and countless amounts of countries contain the virus, but the US cannot control it? the country is nearing 9 million total cases, and I have no doubt that it will reach it tomorrow or the next day.
It's not all chinas fault, no other country did worse than the US. This is the US's fault, but more importantly it's establishment and government for allowing this to happen.

 

Now you are using 'too late' in reference to preventing any cases from reaching the US which is virtually impossible. This is not the context in which gov democrats, left media, and Biden administration are using the term. It has clearly been used to try and claim that Trump was irresponsible and incompetent in his response. I know you already stated that there was nothing better he could have reasonably done given the information everyone had at the time, but I just wanted to make sure you knew the context that I (and everyone else) was using the term 'too late' in.

That being said:

Why in the world did you use a graph that only shows the beginning of the outbreak (non-sourced too)? Like I said, even Dr. Fauci said masks were unnecessary, no one should panic, etc at that point. Not to mention all countries were hit hard at the start. The graph you showed cuts off before the sharp downturn in infection rates. It is also important to mention that aside from Japan and China, the US population is at a minimum ~4 times larger than the other countries on that chart (depends on which country you compare it to). Yet the total cases are only 2-3 times that of Spain, Germany, and France (the next highest in cases) meaning US % of total population infected is lower than the others. In short, our population is far larger, so of course our infections are higher (and we were still doing better by infection rate).
(that's not counting how behind we were on Covid testing compared to the rest of the world at the beginning, so maybe it was on par, not better, with the rest of the world)

Good point, there were definitely a good few countries that handled their infection rates ideally. However, this is only taking into account the goal of mitigating case numbers and nothing else. Minimizing cases is 1 part of many when trying to gauge a country's overall health. Believe it or not, Covid-19 is not the only threat we face during this pandemic. As the data also shows, it is probably less of a worry than we thought (I will explain further down). Economics and health issues (other than covid) are caused as a direct result of national shutdowns. (I don't feel like researching this right now, but I will if you want me to elaborate) These issues far outweigh the benefits of long and intense shutdowns. Especially when the shutdowns were originally only to flatten the curve. Most of the emergency hospitals were completely empty, which is sad because a lot of time and money was spent on their construction. The curve was flattened just in time, otherwise they would have been used. Yet shutdowns are still on the table for some reason.

I agree that shutdowns were pretty late (a source I use further down illustrates the effects of this). That definitely would have flattened the curve sooner and probably (hopefully) prevented the overreaction of building a ton of emergency hospitals that were seldom used. However, you literally state next that there were hardly any tests going out at the time. In other words, no info to base any decisions on. Not Trumps fault lol. That is one huge complaint both sides of aisle had. The CDC screwed up the release of the first batch of tests, causing a significant delay for testing to begin.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/international-comparison
Currently, "the U.S. has conducted more COVID-19 tests than any other country," which of course contributes to the number of cases recorded in the data (whether or not the case is a serious one).
(most of this page is on other data regarding the % of tests that came up positive, but I happened to notice this quote)

The one metric I hate the most because it is both overused and over dramatized is the number of current covid cases. I hear it in the news all the time "all time high on covid cases", "record high covid cases", "new spike in cases"... I'm sorry, but who cares! That's like saying we hit the record number of flu cases last year without telling you that it also happened to be the deadliest season. You wouldn't think twice because the flu normally has an extremely low death rate. Number of cases don't matter if you don't know the death rate.

The death rate in the US is on par with the rest of the world. The curve over time is a bit wonky, but far from the worst in the world. Is it partially the Trump admin's fault? Yeah, but why is that not so bad? Continued shutdowns would cause more long-term damage to the nation's economy and contribute to more negative externalities like mental health issues, sub-par distanced education, suicide rates, unemployment, small businesses shutting down, poverty, etc. This is important to weigh against the death rate of Covid, which is a lot lower than anyone anticipated.

See here: https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid
The stuff that actually matters, but no one wants to report on it. Compared to the rest of the world, we are doing just fine. Is part of it thanks to the Trump administration? Yes. Is a heck of a lot of it thanks to world renouned (and many underrecognized) medical professionals who work their butts off tirelessly researching cures and treatments? 100% yes. A lot of credit goes to a lot of people for restoring things slowly back to normal.

I probably didn't adress something in all this, but I spent a long time both researching and writing and it's late, so I apologize in advance if I missed something important.

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(the following is not directed at you, but my little rant brought on by frustration while doing my research)

I really hate how politicized this pandamic has become. To the point of spreading irrelevant information to fearmonger and reinforce hate towards Trump. "Trump should be charged a life sentence for every Covid death" (some idiot said this on the news) give me a freaking break. When I hear covid mentioned on the news I just leave. I'm tired of listening to cherry picked data and twisted logic to suite whichever side a channel is on. People taking their masks off just to scream in someone's face to put their mask on. People criticizing someone for holding a public event despite covid risks as if people don't have free will to not go if they so choose. The right is missing out on some data and perspective, the left missing out just the same. If people are really to lazy to research things themselves, at least watch news networks from both sides of the aisle. Don't settle for what you want to hear, take everything into account (bias included!).

 

forgot to mention, the graphs here https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid have sliders to change the time window and you can add/remove countries from the graph, so it's not limited to the countries that the webpage defaults to showing

edit: exploring this page the next morning, I found a lot more data on this page. at the top there are tabs you can click to change what data is being shown: within them you can find total deaths, death rates, cases, infection rates, change in infection rates over time, etc. from most, if not all countries around the world. I didn't realize how thorough this source was.

 

Great rally and speech. Cucks (liberals) be afraid!

 

Joe Biden will lose it is not a prediction it is a fact and it will happen and Trump will win the election just like he did before and Biden will try to be VP but he won't because he sucks and nobody likes him.

 

Best map ever.

 

yayyyy