Political Compass Thread

No, he is totally allowed to express opinion, which I previously stated, but he cant say that he "do not approve" as if he's implying for FreddySpaghetti to be quiet. That isnt okay.

 

No, you didn't say that. What you said is that he can only say that he agrees with me.
Now, has he actually taken action against freddy or has he only expressed that he doesn't like what he's saying, whatever his reasoning may be? Because I think you're making a non-problem into one.

 

Of course most police officers aren't bad but in the United States it is very common that police officers target people of color. I it's hard to comprehend because the police force in Finland is much less brutal, but here in the United states, there is corruption. Most police aren't trigger happy and very rarely are they in the KKK or racist, but the justice system in the United States does target black people. Being a police officer gives you a sense of power so it's obvious that there are police officers who abuse their power. It may not be as common as it's made out to be by suuuper liberal media, but the amount of police brutality and racial bias in OUR police forces is too much. And yes I am 16 by the way, and yes I've seen police brutality first hand. I went to a protest in my city and they were teargassing and beating innocent protestors. Though there is a lot of media-bias, some of the stuff you see on the news is infact real. Remember, the United States is a country that is run by white people (like myself), and was built on the backs of black people (it had slavery for over 150 years), so it's not out of the question that there is institutionalized racism.

some of them haha but not all

 

Believe me, I can differentiate between the police force over here, and what I've seen from the police over there. But what do you mean out police is much less brutal? Do you imagine the police are the ones active, and not reactive? You can be damn sure if we had any of the madness you guys are doing you'd see the same result here.
If we can agree that racism in the police force is at least somewhat rare, how come pretty much always the police department's leaders agree with the actions of their officers after reviewing footage? Either the police force is run by racists, many of whom are black, or then the use of force is necessary in most cases.
And as for the United States being built by blacks or on the backs of them, no. Not really. It's not like white people didn't work at all. I mean imagine building a nation with a 90% unemployment rate..

 

Because our police force is partially run by racists. There is an undeniable amount of unnecessary/excessive force used by our police force. https://newrepublic.com/article/126473/american-cops-100-times-deadlier-finnish-police
Plus, if you visit this website on the demographic of the police in the US (https://datausa.io/profile/soc/police-officers#ethnicity), over 65 percent of the police force is White, and less than 15 is Black. Racism is rare in this system, but not rare enough.

Of course black people didn't build in on their own, (many white people played a huge part in it, like George Washington), but if not for the oppression of black people (slavery), our country wouldn't be the same. What im saying, is that if our country is okay with its history of slavery, there's no reason that it shouldn't be okay with having a racist police force. (not saying ACAB or all police are racist, but the amount of racist or abusive police officers is too high.) The fact that fastfood workers get more training than police officers in this country is pathetic

 

Did you read the article you're citing? Or did you just read the title and assume that it actually agreed with anything you've just said? Like, do you want to 'defund the police' in America after reading that?

And what's with the percents? Black people, as well as white people, are over represented in your police force.

ps. at some point, you said something about cops not getting punished, like ever. well the guy in your article got charged and sentenced to 81 months for doing what his department had taught him.

[joke]yeah you would be far better off without slavery! you wouldn't have any black ppl badum tsssss [/joke]
On a bit more of a serious note, being okay with, and accepting your past is the first step of getting over it. It would be very unhealthy mentally to whip yourself over something your ancestors did, would it not?

And of course, any amount of racism is that very amount too much and we should work on solving it. I'm just saying it's not the driving factor. Here, have a go at this article to get where I'm coming from!

great, lets not defund them then! let's rethink your policing hierarchy/system instead!

Either because in reality almost all cops are actually racist, or because the vast majority of cases is not committed because of racism. I had dug out of him that most of them aren't racist, this was just the nail in the coffin to make him realize it on his own.
I was jut begging the question for crying out loud.

 

Yep I read the article. The Article states "American police kill a few people each day, making them far more deadly than police in Europe." and "Historic rates of fatal police shootings in Europe suggest that American police in 2014 were 18 times more lethal than Danish police and 100 times more lethal than Finnish police, plus they killed significantly more frequently than police in France, Sweden and other European countries.". This is what I mean. Regardess of what factors play in, whether it be a higher crime rate or more racism among officers, the amount of un-called-for police shootings is too high. It doesn't matter if there are more people speeding, or not paying off their tickets or smoking flowers... or even robbing banks. Police shouldn't shoot when nobody is in danger.

But, as I mentioned earlier, Racism does play a key factor in these numbers. "Racism, along with a prevailing American ideology of individualism and limited government, helps explain why white citizens and legislators give so much support to controversial police shooters and aggressive police tactics and so little to criminals and poor people."

Here's a nice article explaining why Racism is a problem in our police force and what reform could help: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

Percentages: (as of 2016, and hasn't changed much): 72.8 white, 12.2% black. While there is a higher amount of white people in the united states, there stilll a higher ratio of whites in the police force. (Not a problem though)

Yes, some cops are punished and some aren't but the problem comes when officers like Jonathan Mattingly, Brett Hankison, and Myles Cosgrove raid a house and shoot an innocent black woman (in this case Breonna Taylor) but aren't punished at all, while at the same time, Breonna's boyfriend is arrested for defending himself. THOUGH THEY RAIDED THE WRONG HOUSE AND WERE PLAINCLOTHES COPS, THEREFORE MEANING THAT BREONNA'S BOYFRIEND HAD EVERY RIGHT TO SHOOT BACK (BECAUSE HE THOUGHT HE WAS BEING ROBBED), THEY WERE NOT PUNISHED. See the problem here?

What I meant was: many people in America don't care about slavery and some wish it would exist again.

Nice article. Has some good points. You are right, Racism isn't the only factor (still is one though.)

I agree with you on this one. I don't think that the police should be defunded. But, I think police funding should help TRAIN officers, not give them more unneeded gear.

Yep most coops are not racist but some are. But this shouldn't be the case. It's ridiculous that a racist who would kill someone for their race is allowed on a police force.[/QUOTE]

 

i'm 99% sure you're misunderstanding what defunding the police means. there's a huge difference between abolishing the police and defunding it. from my understanding what most people mean by defunding is reallocating the resources to something more useful. for example: don't call for an armed policeman when there's a schizophrenic acting up in the streets, rather someone who actually knows how to deal with him.

also you seem to be very attached to the fact that only a small percentage of cops actually have racist intentions. even movements like ACAB are fighting the racist system, which doesn't need ANY racist actors to be racist. that's the point of systemic racism. you can disagree with ACAB for making every individual cop responsible for enforcing the racist system. but stop arguing that people are wrong about all cops being racist, your arguing against no one.

 

Sorry guys, but Noob is right and you are wrong. It has been the wrong ideas and conclusions that have messed up America in the first place, so please stop coming up with more

 

Ah, but he's Finnish so he has no say in these things.

edit:why did you delete your post

 

stig grow up. Politics is all about opinion

 

so foreigners have a say as long as they agree with you, nice.

 

I never said he was more qualified to share his opinion than you,
However...... He stated facts

 

Anonyymi Noob MyrraWolf I deleted the long posts you spent alot of time making

 

1. I copied them to google document
2. WHY? This is a political thread. You may not agree with out conversations but you could just tell us to take them to pm's.

 

i didn't delete it. My main man Stig deleted it lmaoooooo
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lol don't hate, I am just right and you are wrong

 

pog

 

Why dont you go and take a double check on when that edit was made?