Presidential Debate

Anyone else tune in? I'm sure a lot of you have. I just want to have a discussion here, hopefully we can all remain civil (myself included) but this is politics so who knows.

My thoughts on the first debate;

• It's not uncommon for the media to lambast Trump for being too "hot-headed", which is why, in my opinion, he took jabs at far less opportunities than he could have. He took much less jabs in the entire debate, no, the entire election than Hillary has toward him undoubtedly, but he remained calm throughout most of the discussion. He knew this was the time when there was no echo chamber to speak of, and a great, great number of people were watching him, so it was his time to portray himself afar from everything the media claims he is.
  
• Even as a staunch Trump supporter, I can admit that Hillary had some good points. Except on every good point she made, Trump would follow up saying he agreed with it, rather not her solution to the problem. Most of her argument was too vague, but mind you so was Trump's, so I guess that point is essentially moot in regards to competition.
  
• The one thing I didn't like the most about the debate was something I actually had called beforehand & it turned out to be true; Hillary was thrown soft balls. IE Trump's tax returns was a point the moderator exhausted, but he never once mentioned the emails until Trump himself brought them up. But what can you expect when you recruit a panel of only democrats to moderate? This leaves no room apart from Trump himself for opposing points of view.
  
• They both focused far too much on blame toward the other side and not enough on explaining their solutions.
  
• I found it hilarious when Hillary said she was a fan of (or something along those lines) democracy. Uh...her and the Democratic party cheated their way into destroying Bernie's chance at the nomination and securing her spot regardless of what the people wanted. That's entirely undemocratic.
  
• Too much question dodging by Trump. The moderator asked him a few times to directly answer a question and he kept going off on an irrelevant tangent.
  
• Trump should have mentioned that the cities in question regarding poverty and racial tensions are all under democratic leadership. Hillary said in the debate that she supports these mayors and their decisions, leading me to believe she would not run the country much differently. And democratic leadership in these cities has failed the citizens.
  
• Hillary was destroyed when it came to economics. Maybe I was snoozing but I didn't hear one legitimate point when it came to helping America's economy. Trump was, for the only time in the debate, straight to the point and provided a plan.

I tried to be as unbiased as possible here but it's always hard to shake from your mind the person that Hillary is. There aren't many people who could stand up there that I would support her over, but that being said, this debate was pretty even.

 

I also tried looking at it from an unbiased side, and honestly saw a terrible debate. neither candidate should have been interrupting as much as they did, and poor lester really didn't have much control at all. as for the candidates themselves, trump came off as a bit unsure of himself with some answers and definitely dodged some questions (he completely went around the birtherism question). clinton, on the other hand, seemed very confident and sometimes overly confident if and when trump said something that went against her. she seemed to be sticking close to a script at some parts I felt like too, whereas trump was his classic self.
if I had to pick a winner, I'd pick clinton only because she made trump angry and exposed his weaker temperament, which was probably her goal for the debate. trump I felt like didn't do much other than just getting through the debate.
quote of the night btw: "[not paying federal income tax] makes me smart" -donald j trump

e; and I felt like trump supposedly being targeted by lester with tougher questions is a stupid thing to say. I felt like the moderator held trump to the same standard as clinton for the first time, and honestly I just don't think he dealt with that well

 

Trump is a chump.

 

I honestly felt kinda bad for Lester with how much the two candidates kept going off topic and interrupting
but overall i would say Trump did a better job then Hillary

 

I'm pretty much supporting Gary Johnson, so I am mostly unbiased. Between the two, I agree with Hillary on social issues, and agree with Trump on economics and foreign policy.
- To be blatantly honest, that debate was a sh*tshow. Both of them spent way more time focusing on defending their personal life than they did defending or promoting their political views.
- The interupting each other and disregard for both Lester and eachother was proof to me that neither of them should really be fit to run a country. My parents would slap me if I acted like that.
- Trump definitely kicked Hillary to the curb when it came to economics, but everything else Hillary was much more valid.
- Personally, I like the way Trump conducted himself more than Hillary. It felt like HIllary was reading from a script 90% of the time, while Trump's answers (and lack thereof) were more genuine, even if they were rude or indirect.

I could go on a bit more, but I don't feel like it. Just my two cents.

 

if you're a libertarian why do you support trump's protectionist economics? just wondering

edit: i guess "supports gary johnson" =/= "is libertarian" but still, i'd like to hear your viewpoint

 

also, i'm kind of surprised how common of an opinion it is online to favor trump on economics, considering most economists favor clinton, even favorable projections show a significant drop in GDP if his policies are enacted, and for a long time the policy he was strongest on was the wall, a veritable black hole of govt. spending with little economic benefit besides the short-term job creation

 

I really have no party affiliation at all, It just comes down to who I think represents most of what I want (put simply). At this point, I thing both the GOP and Democractic candidates are going to screw something up big one way or another, just in different areas. I am very liberal on social issues down to Gay rights, abortion, pretty much all of it. At the same time, I have conservative views over economics, and to be quite frank, Trump is a businessman. If anyone could fix our broken economy, I think it would be him. I am leaning towards Gary Johnson because he is a mix of both. This is all, however coming from someone who can't yet vote XD.

On a final note, in regards to Trump's economic policies, I agree that the GDP will probably drop, but much like restarting a computer, I think it will cme back up as more companies move back to America and their is less international spending. (The wall idea is stupid, defintiely not within my realm of approval)

 

Imho, Hilary won. She came off more prepared and brought more to the argument. To me it seems Trump just protected himself and was rude during the debate and kept interrupting so many times it was crazy. I especially didn't like it when Lester Holt kept trying to get it back on topic and Trump would simply ignore him or say wait. Iirc Hilary did go over time once but she let Trump talk after realizing it. I feel she was more on topic and she came more prepared. There were some sly remarks both way tho that wasn't really professional.

 

I think Trump won

 

Paint me a tin foil hatter if you will but I feel like more people would be disagreeing with the Clintons if they didn't fear for their personal safety or the security of their jobs. Dr. Drew was fired and "pressured mafia-style" by CNN (Clinton News Network lmao) to retract his statements on Hillary's health. David Seaman (also lol) was fired from Huffington Post for an article on Hillary's health as well.

 

Trump is a jerk

 

MAGA

 

A few facts about trump

 

I am writing a paper on the debate for my political science class.
In short:
I found it weird how Donald has now just accepted that Obama is a US citizen
I believe Hillary did a good job handling Trump (why does she smile when Trump argues with her?)
It was funny when they made jokes at each other.
Trump - Why are you now just started to worry about this topic
Clinton - I needed some time to think on it.
Trump - Yeah 30 years of thinking
Or something along the lines.

 

after watching the Vice-President debate last night i am kinda wishing that Kaine and Pence were the candidates for the real election rather then Vice-Presidents
anyway these are my thoughts on the Vice-President debate
First off I liked how Pence and Kaine respected each other much more then Hillary and Trump respect each other

I would say Kaine did a better job speaking and putting his/hillary's plans out than Pence
The thing I was very disappointed with Kaine however is he interrupted way to much and he couldn't get away from Trump not releasing his tax returns no matter what the topic was.
Also Kaine was too much focused on bringing Trump down even if it meant lying or shortening stuff Trump has said to make Trump sound so much worse

Big thing i liked about Pence was he was much more calm and truthful and didn't interrupt nearly as much as Kaine.
One thing i didn't like so much about him is he tended to slide of topic very easily to try to prove Kaine wrong.
Another thing is he didn't seem able to prove Kaine wrong about the stuff Kaine said about Trump as easily as Kaine would put down what Pence said bad about Hillary

Overall i would say i liked Pence better, but i also respect Kaine for how he gave good answers, both seem to be smarter and nicer then the candidates, Trump and Hillary, themselves
however those are just my personal thoughts

 

The vice president debate was a pretty equal debate in my opinion. I mean there were some underlying factors that made me think if I had to pick someone, Kaine won. First off he brought some heavy questions to the debate and Pence didn't seem to answer a lot of them. One thing I didn't like about Kaine though was he kept interrupting sorta like Trump and at times which I think was very disrespectful. One thing I did like about Pence he seemed to not interrupt as much. But I didn't like how he said "Did you spend a lot of time practicing on that?" Its like criticizing him for practicing and being prepared. Overall like I said it was a pretty even performance but if I had to the slight winner might be Kaine.

 

I agree, both seem a lot nicer.

 

If I was older I will vote for no one.

 

Savage.