Politics Thread

Nazi Germany WOULD have been one of the most successful stories of a nation, if they hadnt attempted to remove God from their government. Did you know hitler had an un-descended testicle? Its true, he was half a man.

E; I am the sole radical in my family........my dad is a moderate democrat, and mom is a moderate conservative. Nice try though, to try to pin my ideas and values on someone else

 

the american for-fathers knew what they were doing when they set up the Constitution and such and now that it is not being followed well anymore america is dying fast
if you refuse to believe america is dying then something is wrong with you,
tbh trump does support the constitution and both hillary and bernie do not support some of it, so i my eyes trump is better then both of them, my only problem with him is he is too forceful and and some ways can be like hitler but for now it looks like it is going to be hillary or trump that are going to win and out of those two i strongly want trump

 

A-fricken-men!

 

People like you are exactly the reason that American politics is sh*tty. You are so f*cking stubborn and unknowledgeable that you make up all this bullsh*t.

American conservatives throughout history are not to be endorsed (except for maybe Reagan). They have an extremely racist history, which continues to date.

Btw, Common Sense did not lay out the way the country was to be run. It was made to convince people to join the Revolution.

Also, the reason communism and the USSR collapsed is because the officials in charge were power-hungry buttholess. Socialism, on the other hand has been the most successful system. For example, Canada and Japan have both been leaders in economic and political growth.

(Gets a little mad here) On terms of Planned Parent hood: HAVE YOU EVER BEEN RAPED?? I don't think so, And if you are impregnated not by you're own choice, it's not you're fault. But for you're a mother who is not ready or cannot support a child. It will only created sustained hurt to the child.

Why would you deny selling a cake to gays?? Just because the bible doesn't f*cking mention something, doesn't mean it immoral. The bible was witten at a time where the leaders, especially religious leaders were the most immoral (castration was very usual, along with "religious" massacres and genocides).

Back in the day, only the wealthy had a say in government (conservatives). So democracy, where EVERYBODY could input ideas was relatively liberal. Even after America adopted a democratic republic, the rich and there bribes kept aristocrats in power.

So, yes, America was built on conservative fundamentals. But they led to horrific stages of American times that are still recovering.

*calms down*

 

Tbh, while every country got their super-mecca-leader (Like Hitler for example) which literally "made their country great again," we got peaceful presidents like Roosevelt. A demanding leader may actually be good for a change and it has it's perks, but there's always a downside (Hitler for example again). I'm not saying we need the Hitler of America, but Trump (Usually) says it how it is. Hillary and Bernie not so much.

#WeDontWantHitlerWeWantTrumpAndNotHillaryOrBernie (Get it trending)

A lot of your statements there are a little overboard. America is considered a religious country and the way it works it by the way it was established. It obviously worked back in the day so why would someone change the way they do something if it works? On the topic of the Gays, only super extremists won't sell a damn cake to a gay. It's just something most people aren't use to and don't feel comfortable around it. Same thing (Kinda different) with abortions . I personally, see why people have something against it, but I happen to not have a problem with it.

 

This president sh*t is quite stupid atm. I think the question American voters should ask is not "which is the best candidate" at las it is "which candidate will do the least amount of harm or damage to America"

 

It appears that you have a conflicting opinion to mine, and thats alright. I believe in the constitution and bill of rights, in which freedom of speech is outlined in the 1st amendment, and im sorry you have a contrasting view.

Well common sense WAS to be a sort of semi-constitution and people like Patrick Henry wanted it to be the sole document for government.

About the economy, look at a graph of the Chinese economy, up, down, up, down, down down, up, up.......look at the US and it is steady upwards growth. China and Japan are not comparable due to the high population density and lack of minimum wage.

In terms of planned parenthood, there are countless religious groups who would love to take the child and devote their lives to the church. You do not have to commit murder in the womb to save a childs life.

The bible says that a man leaves his fathers house and cleave to his wife......does it say he should cleave to his husband? HELL NO!!!!!! I wouldnt bake a cake that says congratulations Joe and Frank, i would run a bakery that serves the groups i would like.

Read the gospel, that is the current.........the old testament was before christ was crucified for our sins\

Well how did the rich get where they were? They obviously have brains in their heads, they deserve to run the country.

the 1900s through 1920s were incredibly successful. The only democrat in that whole time period was Woodrow Wilson, and that was because teddy roosevelt split the republican vote......people gained respect for america in that period

 

There's this thing called inheritance, and most if not all of the early rich folk had there family's wealth from preclinical times. Most of the wealthy leaders in the revolutionary era were English noblemen by birth, originally. And then came to America.

 

So you are saying that the money for the Koch brothers and the like are from 300 years ago? gimmie a break!

 

@socialism I hate how people think things can be "free". Did they ever learn that nothing is free? All i ever hear about Bernie supporters is how they just want to be handed everything. I can't quote the statistics because unforgettably i can't remember where the precise numbers but a large portion of Bernie supporters are on welfare and jobless. I for one believe that social-security should not be a thing, it's pointless! I'm basically paying for people who already paid into this. Me not wanting to pay social-security is by no means selfish. If I make my money I should have a decision if I want to donate to people that would perhaps collect social-security benefits. These kids and young adults drive me crazy when they are begging for free college. It can't be free. Going to a public school isn't free, everyone pays taxes so students can attend. This would be the same with college, free college = more taxes. College is already expensive as it is, but you do know that there are so many scholarships out there, right? Some don't even get claimed. I wrote about this for my English class, and my Liberal teacher enjoyed it. If you want to know what all that I said (with resources), I will gladly post it for you.

 

Post please!

 

Nothing is Free

Wyatt Stonhouse

11-23-2015


Many democratic candidates have recently wanted to allow college become free. As they paint a picture of happy grads getting jobs, they fail to tell us about the disadvantage it would create.Today, around 41 percent of students who start community college will not complete, according to theU.S. Department of Education (as cited in Otani, 2015). The main reason for students dropping out is because they were having troubles trying to balance family, work, or even both while they were still attending college (Johnson, Rochkind, Ott, & DuPont, n.d). In this election year, many candidates are making campaign promises to have college become free. Bernie Sanders proposed that if he was president, he would plan to spend 60 billion a year, allowing college to become free (Douglas-Gabriel, 2015). Even President Barack Obama created a plan that would allow qualifying students attend their first two years for free. However that would not fix some of the problems that some students are facing. To tell the truth, this solution cannot just have money thrown at it. Even though making community college free may sound nice. It is vital to fix the graduation rate in community college.

Let’s be clear: Many students would love going to a college, free of charge. It could also allow financially unstable families to send their child to a college. However, allowing community college to be free would not be beneficial for everyone. In other words, it’s not something that could be changed easily, and in fact, you would end up paying for college indirectly. Local property taxes would include higher college operating costs. Therefore, you would be paying for college through taxes.

To tell the truth, the US government does not make money. In fact, they make about 90% of their revenue is from taxation. While making college free may sound simple to some people, there are many questions that need to be asked to make this work (CBO, 2014). Would the ones who are just coming out of college that have tens of thousands of dollars in student debt get theirs paid for too? More importantly, allowing everyone to earn an associate degree would possibly lesson the value to having one. It would be expected for people to have, similar to how everyone is expected to have a high school diploma. Consequently, you would need to obtain a higher degree to stand out. In addition, the more the government pays for schooling, the more it would be regulated.

We cannot fix it with our taxes but we can fix our dropout rate. There are multiple steps that can be taken that can help fix the dropout rate in community colleges. Instead having jobs that may have nothing to do with the degree they are working on. Having paid internships that are connected to classes could be extremely beneficial. It would allow times that would not get interrupted and they would also being learning more from experience. Creating more student jobs on campus would also be helpful. Students would not have to travel farther distances for a job when they can be working at college, possibly freeing up more time for them in their busy schedules. Besides other work opportunities, having a day care program at the college would be valuable. Allowing a parenting student to drop off their child and walk to class with ease, and then picking up their child after their class was over and going home for the day. Altogether these three changes would help the dropout rate in community colleges, while being significantly cheaper because it would mostly be used by one who needs it instead of every single student.

Before community colleges can become free, it is a must to fix the graduation rate first. Fixing the graduation rate does not have to be overly complicated or be a multi-billion dollar project. It is important to fix the graduation rate, because spending billions on students who will still drop out would be a waste.




References:

Douglas-Gabriel, D. (2015, May 19). Sen. Bernie Sanders wants free tuition at four-year public colleges. Here’s why it won’t work. Retrieved November 15, 2015.

Elmendorf, D. (2014). CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE. The Budget and Economic Outlook: 2014 to 2024, 85-90.

Johnson, J., Rochkind, J., Ott, A., & DuPont, S. (n.d.). With Their Whole Lives Ahead of Them. Myths and Realities About Why So Many Students Fail to Finish College, 5-6. Retrieved November 19, 2015.

Otani, A. (2015, February 24). The College Dropout Problem May Not Be as Bad as the Government Says. Retrieved November 23, 2015.

 

Excellent Work, i like it a lot! You arent quite as far right as me, but your better because people like me can never reason with people properly because we are so convinced in our ways.
You have some great solutions for some difficult problems, i can see why your teacher admired it.
Once we were reading a book about fast food companies in Nutrition and i stood up in class and spoke out against the labor unions in fast food chains. I told her that the guy in the book was a criminal, and had that greedy theiving look in his eye after robbing his corperation......but class ended b4 we could get very far.

 

America is not a religious country. In the Constitution it is made clear that there is no official religion, but yet many Catholic beliefs work their way in through the Republican Party.

The Koch family comes from Germany (I'm pretty sure). They came to the US in the mid-1900s. Their parents were already wealthy when they arrived, and either way I was referring to Pre-Revolutionary Americans.

 

Actually, most catholics vote democrat, whereas most baptists vote republican

The Koch brothers are the weathiest people in the world. (combined wealth) and their money comes from the countless businesses they own. They were smart with their money, and THEY should be president!

 

WyattStonhouse did you stop to think that the graduation rate would increase since people would start affording to finish it? as i see it, most people who drop out of us colleges, drop out because they can no longer afford it due to sudden changes in their lives (ex; sudden sickness, -due to not free healthcare-, lack of child support, generally bad financial security for individuals, all that is republican politics). And how can this be fixed if the colleges don't get cheaper/free? most countries that offer free colleges have a bigger graduation rate than usa. here we have both private and public colleges. Sure some people will drop out because of laziness, but they will be around either way. any other reason for dropping out of college is primarily due to financial trouble.

And let me quote you on this "However, allowing community college to be free would not be beneficial for everyone.", well is it now? lol. Do you imagine it to ever be?
And naturally taxes should be the main support line for college education? what else? do you expect your country to invade another middle eastern country and steal their oil instead?

you also suggest that students should be able to finance their own education with jobs on campus etc? but where would the money they get paid with come from? taxes. lmao.
Neither can you just make up jobs from thin air. Would you suggest offering internships for all the people who wish to study?

If USA spent less money on their army, while terrorising foreign countries, the neccessary billions could easily be taken from there.
Taxes based on fair and equal percentages would also have your rich elite contribute more aswell.

alot of your text was tl;dr, but i caught the message

 

If we stopped our war on terrorism, the rest of the world would suffer. Just S T F U, you dont live in the greatest country int the world, and most of us do so stop undermining our principles. Just shut up

 

I'm very impressed with Stig 's knowledge of US politics. Despite not living here, he knows more than many US citizens.

And FredGibson , you don't live in the greatest country either. The US is economically declining due to sh*tty politics (not just Obama). In terms of economy, China is the most sustainable. Socially and politically, there is a long list of European and Asian countries that surpass the US.

 

Stig hast said ONE THING about US politics.........all he wants is free college and free everything. Every time i bring up US politics he just saysthat he isnt defending our democrats and he cant compare our politics with his country.

He is a lib-tard who doesnt understand how a capitalist economy functions. Our GDP is MANY times higher than chinas, and is on a steady upwards growth rather than all over the board. Want us to grow like china has been doing? Eliminate minimum wage and get rid of all unions. Our economy would skyrocket like that.

 

no it's not

yes I agree