Trump thread

funny you say that, because i read an article stating a quote (you can look it up, or just trust me, theres no way im digging out that magazine again) that "anyone with a brain cant help being conservative, and anyone with a heart, cant avoid being liberal." Who would rationally vote for a candidate like sanders who wants to be some sort of modern day robin hood and take all your money and give it to the poor and homeless?


BTW, sanders was in my city today, and no, i didnt go see him.

 

welp, pack it up folks, fredgibson read a quote in a magazine. no more discussion to be had here.

 

haha, if you really want to know, i read it in car and driver magazine april 2016 in a article titled "why do racers always vote republican?" It is not a politically biased mag! they are a BMW biased mag

 

You misread my post, I was referring to the juror who would hang the trial. Idiot

 

Even less legimate.

 

It was by an automotive journalist, it was by a political guest writer. The only automotive journalist qualified to write about politics is jeremy clarkson!!! Amazing capitalist!

 

oh, and heres that article you wanted. http://www.caranddriver.com/columns/why-do-racers-vote-republican-column

 

OK, so you are trying to tell me you are republican?

 

Still can't stump the trump i see lads

 

hehe, Sarah Palin even had to stop stumping for him!

 

I'm neither, because as I've said in the past, I hate parties. One of the main reasons I support Bernie is because while he is technically running for the Democrats he's really doing is own thing. (By the way, my second choice would actually be Kasich, because he seems to be a reasonable man.)

 

So, yes, you are a democrat. Bernie is so far left he is basically a communist, and Kasich is a RINO. I was right, thank you, thank you....you may take your seats.

 

No, Bernie Sanders is far from communist.
The socialist idea of increased taxes etc is to support free healthcare amongst other things. And the way the republicans choose to deal with all your country's ridiculous debt and expenses is to invade other countries and steal their resources.
Don't speak of socialism as something evil, as it is clear which side is.
All the most well-functioning societies on this planet are socialist.

Communism is the extreme part of socialism, like nazism would be for the opposite side. The fact that you So directly relate socialism with communism is because of the strong use of republican propaganda and nationalism to manipulate your opinions.

 

Oh and I deleted some posts. It's easy to go personal when it comes to political disagreements. But try to make your posts be more about the politics and not getting back at eachother on a personal level when you run out of arguments.

 

Okay, since you're apparently keen to dismiss anything I write as trolling, I'll write this one ~super seriously~ for you:

When Fred talks about marriage, he's speaking about something subjective. When you gave that awfully simplistic and inaccurate view on the function of government in economics and state it as fact, you're pretty much just wrong. If you'd like proof of this I'd be happy to provide you with some reading material, you might be surprised to find out that *gasp* economic policy isn't that simple and in many cases decreasing restrictions and regulations have a net positive effect on society. Obviously I'm not a hyper-capitalist reactionary, but that doesn't mean I have to stand by and let you act like an ignorant prick. That's not "playing devil's advocate to get a rise out of people," lol.

 

It really isn't. Sure, if someone wants to believe all gays are going to hell, then they're free to that, but if someone feels the need to restrict the rights of someone whose not doing anything harmful because of what their religion says, then that's simply being selfish. And yes, I'm going to call someone out if they support these policies, because it's bullshit.

Well, no ****? Different policies are going to work in different situations, and there is certainly a place for policies that lean towards economic freedom in the grand scheme of our country. However, you can't expect me to show respect for fred when he's the one who started calling left-leaning opinions retarded. You can't pick and choose; just because I made my opinions sound like fact (which is not how I aimed for them to come across as), you can't just ignore that fred, for example, stated that Sanders is a communist, when he's clearly not.

As I said above, we were both in a heated argument and we both said things that came across this way. Go ahead and try to prove me otherwise, but otherwise it seems you're making things personal right now.

 

I hate to break it to you, but the intensity of your belief in your opinions doesn't somehow elevate them to objective facts. While you may dislike Fred's opinion, which you have every right to do, and disagree with it, which you also have every right to do, that doesn't make it objectively wrong. Your economic statement on the other hand? If not outright incorrect, it at the least toes the line. (Inb4 "economics isn't a science it's capitalist propaganda"-style generic socialist response)

Fred already has plenty of people telling him he's wrong, I don't have to correct every mistake that anyone has ever made in order for my critiques of you valid. Also, if you actually believe that with respect to economic policy, you should have made that clear instead of posting what you did, which offers none of that nuance and is basically contradictory to your clarification.

How on earth is this making things personal? Feelings for each other aside, nothing I've said about you has anything to do with your character or our past together, just the content you've posted in this thread. Once again, I encourage you to *just* make a counter argument instead of trying to paint anything I say as a personal attack.

 

Economics is incredibly subjective, as a thriving economy that seems perfect to one person may be scorned by another because, say, 20% of the population is below the poverty line due to extremely low wages the very profitable companies are giving their workers because they can get away with it. Even if I hadn't clarified in my last quote what I really meant, there's nothing "incorrect" about what I said in my opinionated statement. You may have said it was a simplistic view on economics, but you saying someone's economic theory is wrong is simplistic.
Fred Gibson's view on gay marriage is still an opinion, yes, but what I'm saying is it's a very one-sided view. While the argument on which economic system works the best is pretty fair game because it's very arguable which balance provides the best societal advantage, gay marriage is a matter of either oppressing people's rights or not.

Welp, you got me. I didn't clarify at first, but it's clear now what my view of the whole picture is.

How on earth is this making things personal? Feelings for each other aside, nothing I've said about you has anything to do with your character or our past together, just the content you've posted in this thread.

done.

 

While I agree that there are different priorities re: evaluating economic success, I still believe that saying that strong regulation or govt intervention is necessary to prevent catastrophe (what I was originally responding to) is close to outright incorrect. While I'm not saying the United States should be an unregulated Wild West, there's certainly a large proportion of economic theory that supports the side of less interference.

Thanks for the reasonable response though, with your clarifications I don't really have any significant disagreement anymore

 

Yes, i know. Hillary Clinton is a basic socialist, supporting healthcare and government funded programs. Bernie is a communist, because of his ideal to tax the wealthy at 90% and single-payer healthcare system.

Is capitalism directly associated with Nazi-ism? Yes, probably. Do i see the benifit of Nazi-ism? Absolutely! The only part of Nazi-ism i dont agree with is the genocide of gods people, they tried to remove god from their nation. If they were trying to remove MUSLIMS i would be completely for it!