The spacebar technique

Discussion in 'Anything and everything Free Rider' started by Imbetterthanyo, Sep 22, 2017.

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  1. bungo

    bungo Active Member

    I don't really like spacebarring
     
  2. Good thoughts going on there but bro ur so good. I tried spacebarring but for me it just seems to innefficient for me.. suggest any ideas to improve it and make spacebarring practical and efficent for me to use? Btw ive harnessed all the skills but am looking at spacebarring because i want to become from good to GREAT. Cheers
     
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  3. Whisk

    Whisk Well-Known Member Official Author

    It takes awhile to master, it took me a couple of months... maybe I'm below average on that aspect. You have to keep working at it and don't give up.
     
  4. Hypercube?
     
  5. thanks man
     
  6. CityShep

    CityShep Well-Known Member Official Author

    but what about my ultra-elite-only-three-players-can-enjoy-these-tracks club??!?!?! not cool man :mad:
    what do u mean hypercube what dimension u think im in
     
  7. Volund

    Volund FRHD News Team Official Author

    Spacebarring should be made obsolete, it promotes cheating in order to become 'the best' (example: spruce, I believe, admitted to using a spacebar program so he could compete w/ the best- without it, he would not have been able to come close to majority of top ghosters)
    However, before spacebarring is eliminated, the fps has to be swapped from 30 fps to 25 fps, and the checkpoint system changed from the current system to CR's system. It is these factors which promotes spacebarring, or at least gives spacebarrers an excuse to use this technique. Will this ever happen? Who knows.

    mR..A is one of few examples of a ghoster who does not rely on/use the spacebar, but is one of the best ghosters to date. And why is this? Because he has been practicing. Spacebarring renders practice useless, which is stupid. The equivalent to spacebarring is, to a point, tracing- both make practice, endurance, the want to improve, etc worthless. Inb4 "yOU need a THIRD PARTY PROGRAm to TRACE!!!", you can use a third party program to spacebar for you, and seeing as though you cannot prove to anyone that you don't use a third party program, it's much the same thing in my eyes.

    tl;dr spacebarring is promoted/excused due to the high fps and cp system of this game. the devs should change both, and then render spacebarring useless, as it: defeats the purpose of practicing and playing the game; creates a skill gap which only years of practice or cheating can overcome; is a form of cheating/manipulating the game
     
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  8. does hypercube use spacebarring
     
  9. i agree, although some people use spacebarring they actually have skill however u could consideer it cheating. This game is competitive with skill and if u arent using skill u are cheating. But again people who use spacebar probably have been in that position.. they were probably good but just wanted to get better. Same for me, i see all these OP ghosts and im like wow they have skill! but they were using spacebarring. If they could do that imagine if i could do that. BTW our school is competitive so spacebarring and being the best ghost will prove that i am better than them. Jus my pespec
     
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  10. CityShep

    CityShep Well-Known Member Official Author

    Oh. I'm not familiar with that person, I wouldn't know.

    This is the most bullshit false equivalence I've seen on this site, not sorry.

    Using what the game has given you in order to improve your time and tricks is NOT the same thing as stealing someone's artwork - which is literally illegal in some cases.
     
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  11. Whisk

    Whisk Well-Known Member Official Author

    Yeah Hypercube does.
     
  12. Volund

    Volund FRHD News Team Official Author

    What's the difference between using a 3rd part site to trace, vs a 3rd party site to spacebar? And regardless, the pause button is not in the game to improve ones time, it is used to take a break while you do something else, or look at other parts of a track.

    You're talking about ethics here, so another question; what is ethical about manipulating and abusing a feature of a game to 'improve' your ability? And I wouldn't even call it an improvement, as almost all ghosters would not be able to replicate their ghost without the spacebar- or if they could, it would take a lot more time and effort, which is what cheating is (and furthermore what tracing etc does, saves time and effort)

    While my example is extreme, I still stand by it, as I think both tracing and spacebarring should be shunned
     
  13. CityShep

    CityShep Well-Known Member Official Author

    Just because you can use a third party site for either doesn't mean they're at all similar. I could be using a third party site to write this comment, but that doesn't mean it's similar to spacebarring in any way shape or form. Once again, bad equivalency.

    I would beg to differ on the fact that it is 'manipulating' and 'abusing.' The pause button is a part of the game and there's no rules saying you can't use it a certain way, just people who think it's unfair because they have yet to master it / wish rave was catered to them. Not everyone uses third party programs for their stuff - I know I haven't. Should we start shunning people who make hard tracks as well, because that's unfair to new users? Hell no, I'll make what I want and play it how I intended it to be played. If you care not to spacebar, more power to you. I'm not stopping you.
     
  14. Volund

    Volund FRHD News Team Official Author

    Idk where this came from ^ To me it seems like you defend spacebarring because you have a track which is only possible if you do spacebar, or is much easier to do if you do spacebar

    There is a difference between creating a difficult track and using the spacebar to give yourself an unfair advantage, which is a bad analogy. A difficult track is still, at the end of the day, possible to everyone if you put in the time and dedication to complete. Using the spacebar, however, is not available for everyone to abuse, due to restrictions with a keyboard, no knowledge of it, etc etc. And the lack of knowledge of the 'power' of a spacebar is due to the fact that its function is to pause the game, not to make it easier to ghost, but to take a break etc

    The spacebar is not just unfair to new users, but to users of all calibre who wants to create a good ghost but cannot compete due to the people who use spacebar. For example, Reborn, who has played for years, said "If spacebarring was removed it would the game significantly more fun for me, I'm always getting messages from these cunts saying "I beat you haha" when it's clear they wholly relied on spacebarring" - and this is just one example.

    No, but the difference is that both forms of tracing and spacebarring is still cheating, or performing an action which one would be hard-pressed to replicate of their own accord. You could use a 3rd party site to write a comment, but you could do that on your own as well. Most ghosters, cannot perform a spacebar ghost on their own. And if they can, then it should just be removed

    It still doesnt make it right, and it was not made for the purpose of bettering a ghost, which is definitely abusing and manipulating its purpose to the game. Why should people have to master a form of cheating, instead of mastering things such as a legitimate wheelie, endo, etc.


    The main point Im making is that it gives people an unfair advantage, which not everyone has. It is not a fair or even playing field, which discourages people from trying to create really good ghosts without the spacebar. I dont see why it should be kept in the game
     
  15. CityShep

    CityShep Well-Known Member Official Author


    I don't think you finished your thought here but I can tell you for sure that it doesn't take much practice to get it right, it's just a matter of preference when you do. Just figured I'd touch on that.

    I disagree with your use of the word 'cheating.' I don't happen to think it's cheating and I guess that's where our disagreement lies. I simply view it as an intuitive way to make ghosting easier, whereas you don't - that's all.
     
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  16. Volund

    Volund FRHD News Team Official Author

    Aye, I can agree w/ that ^. Also idk if I finished or not, it's 11pm and im just spouting **** lmao
     
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  17. FunBunOne

    FunBunOne Well-Known Member Official Author

    just wondering: on average how long do u take after u pressed spacebar before u press again?
     
  18. Catalyst

    Catalyst Well-Known Member

    I have '2 key laptop' and I'm ok :/
     
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  19. i use https://www.murgee.com/auto-keyboard/ software for automatic spacebar press
     
  20. Andd i use 80 millisecond intervals
     

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